New Gruppo on older bikes

Weighed a rear I bought recently, CXP30 and an ultegra hub, 1200g sans tire/tube/cassette

Ace...

you end up doing dumb shit like this:

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...then google search brings you to your senses

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What 'old' frame do you have??

The Parlee one comes in heavier.

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I'm on a slide to nowheresville

The Parlee one comes in heavier.

It's the bolt. The bolt weights tones.

#needstitanium

I want to put Apex or perhaps 10sp Tiagra on my nice old Concorde.

Seriously considering friction shifters though. Why?

• Cost
  
• Weight
  
• Zero maintenance
  
• Always perfect trim
  
• Winter rides with that bike usually aren't so fast anyway
  
  

Dan is right about them being slower as you run into the hills. Quick modern shifting also makes it easier to stay on a charging pack.

Not friction shifter, but one with a friction mode as well as indexed.

I've picked up a pair of 8 speed bar end shifter for £15 at Herne Hill today and they were in decent nick.

I reckon barcon is a good compromise between downtube shifter and 'brifter' (shudder).

I put Chorus group on one, dura ace 7700 on another an triple speed centaur on steel bikes I have-
my preference for upgrading to modern components is because I like the performance it gives -the faces of riders on modern bikes
is great when I cain them

Friction is def nice on the front for keeping trim sorted.
On the back with 7 speed the indexing is awesome, it properly clunks into gear.
Have heard it said that 10 or 11 speed with friction is a joy too, the smaller gaps between gears mean that you'll always hit something even if it's not the exact gear you wanted.

Di2 is def nice on the front for keeping trim sorted.
On the back with 7 speed the indexing is awesome, it properly clunks into gear.
Have heard it said that 10 or 11 speed with friction is a joy too, the smaller gaps between gears mean that you'll always hit something even if it's not the exact gear you wanted.

I've not yet given it a go but I've heard similar things :)

It's the bolt. The bolt weights tones.

#needstitanium

Parlee = 7.5grams $100
Ratio = 5g £23
eXotic 6g £20 (but limited size range)

Did you weight it yourself? One picture includes bolt and the other not. I'm not 100% sure if they mean the whole thing with a bolt or the carbon band only.

well said ) /\ +37

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I bought the frame from Kboy and not knowing any better built it thusly. Criminal lack of period correctness (not to mention style) but it's light, responsive, reliable and I ride it a lot rain or sun. I'd love a period 8 speed and older Shamals or Zondas but then I'd look at the weather, think about salt etc and not ride it.

My road bike is Italian steel with modern Shimano. Nothing convinved me that a more modern frame would be a better for my purposes than a decent steel one, nothing convinced me that I'd be better off with old gears than newer ones.

Amen.

Italian BB threading is a great reason to avoid Italian steel frames :)

I have an 'old' steel frame from 84 that I love, it fits me and works just fine as it is but I'm absolutely fed up of reaching down to shift one of my 12 gears ( Shimano 600 ), especially when riding in a group, so I'm going to buy carbon centaur and some new handbuilt wheels.

Personally it boils down to budget. I have about £800 to spend and for that money I'd rather have the centaur equipped 'old' frame over a low level otp modern racing bike and this also means that down the line, when the funds are there, I can updgrade my 'old' frame to something more modern ( I'd love a stainless Rourke ) and then rebuild the old frame with it's original parts.

I think the debate going on here is pretty pointless and it is all down to your own tastes. I myself love the look of old steel with a modern gruppo... modern materials may well be lighter and stiffer but honestly, am I going to be racing it? No. I just want a bike I am comfortable on over long distances, a bike that suits my abilities and ultimately a bike that I find aesthetically pleasing.

I love this:

Auto crank removal. Saves on tools.

Good to meet you the other night too Dan. In agreement with you. New on old, to some degree. I love my bike and yes it rides lovely — a NOS '96 Leader, fillet brazed Oria tubing. Old stem, rest of it is new.

that is so pretty

here's one I made earlier
centaur ergo triple speed, mirage headset, proton wheelset, panto, pina stem

dura ace 7700 group mavic cxp 33, 7400 headset, dura ace aero post

Auto bb removal. Saves on tools.

ftfy?

Can't see why the cranks shouldn't stay on, or is that something else for me to watch out for?

here's one I made earlier

That's really nicely done. Do you keep your bikes in a roof saarf?