Primary position

Firstly, 'roadie conventions' are behaviours which have been established over many years of riding (solo/small groups/large groups) around the lanes, and are as much about public relations as safety; and equally effective for both purposes.

Secondly, I'd never describe a forum ride as employing roadie conventions, because the personnel invovled are far too diverse. If you want to experience roadie conventions, you need to join a club ride.

My point was that because of the way I ride drivers are forced to pass me wide most of the time. If a driver wishes to pass me close, that's fine, as long as they do so slowly. My road position and my looking can in most circumstances control how a driver passes me.

On the ride I am referring to my fellow riders were more tolerant of drivers passing faster and closer than I am used to.

And I'd almost always be going down the secondary position route on a dual carriageway. Primary position would, for the most part, be fucking mental.

Depends. Riding round multi-lane gyratories in London like vauxhall cross, elephant and castle I would rather be in the middle of a lane which is less confusing for everyone, drivers have to slow down to accommodate me.

Even riding on the A406 when it is fast moving I ride in a manner that drivers still have to focus when passing me. I look at them as they pass and if one looks too close I have an escape route to my left

Bus lanes form dual carriageways. I always ride central in a bus lane. Bus Drivers now are trained to pass wide, going into the next lane (though bus drivers rarely overtake nowdays due to my speed)