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i'm not gonna bother with tugs just yet as i found the problem. the axle (hollow threaded bit) was sticking out past the outside of the dropouts, so the skewer was closing against the axle ends rather than the dropouts. I spread the dropouts spacing a bit and stuck a couple of washers on the axle so the axle ends inside each dropout. appears to hold nicely now. if i do get slippage, might look to get some tugs tho.