For Sale: Upright Fixie Ride with Strong Track Frame

You have to true the wheels yourself once you get it?

Which begs the question...

How many people with the mechanical knowledge of putting a bike together would actually spend this much on a bike like this?

David, it's over to you...

This rather nice B'Twin and £20 change
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/EN/elops-3-ii-172069889/

Good buy.

My bad then.

Still don't think these Pi bikes are too bad though.

How much it weighs?

Which begs the question...

How many people with the mechanical knowledge of putting a bike together would actually spend this much on a bike like this?

David, it's over to you...

"worth upgrading later if the starter setup doesn't excite"

surely this is one for those who tinker?

And can I be an ass for a moment? The website really puts me off, my eyes don't know where to look, it's not an attractive site at all.

+1.

Here is some constructive criticism. It's got the right elements but it's been put together quite clumsily and needs a lot of tweaking and rethinking. Definitely remove the inverted colour hover, it makes the whole thing look cheap. The thumbnail images in general should all work together better, at the moment they clash because of the different styles and too much busyness, they need to be simplified. Fix the formatting on the text, it will make everything look smarter. Choose one font and stick to it. On the image heavy pages use a white background because at the moment the pictures look gash. In fact, I hate black backgrounds on websites, totally geocities, make all the backgrounds white.

And for christs sake sort out your logo.

Basically, hire a website designer.

Still don't think these Pi bikes are too bad though.

They may not be too bad but they try to make out that they're better bikes than other without any proof.

I'd happily ride the B'Twin though. It's cheap, I know it's cheap but nobody's trying to make me think that it's better than it is. Also it comes pre assembled and has gears.

I do say on the assembly instructions, as a disclaimer, that if you do not know what you're doing take it to a bike shop to have it assembled.

I don't customise these bikes.

Ada - you have a good idea. I'll put a contest together to give a few of these away to prove that they aren't just another nasty bike

Sacredheart - you're comparing apples to oranges with that track geometry fixie with a completely different ride characteristic

No, I'm showing what else is out there for £50 more!?

Although you're right about the apples and oranges...

Ok.. I've been biting my tongue for a while now as I didn't really want to enter into the inevitable cluster-fuck of people scrambling to tell you what a piece of shit your bike is.
I understand that not everyone wants to spend 600 quid on a 'branded' otp or has the skill/knowledge to build a cheap second hand bike. There is obviously a market for cut priced, low quality bikes.

However, arguing over the comparative quality of Pi squared compared to unipack, create and even that white 'universal track bike' (which btw is half the price of yours and looks equally as good/shit quality) is futile. You're arguing that this piece if shit is better than that piece of shit, because this one has chocolate sprinkles on it. Still smells like shit to me.

If you are going to be a purveyor of manure, at least be honest about it. I see you have gone some way to suggest that some parts are low quality or could be replaced... I say, base your sales strategy on that, people should know that this is a low cost, low quality product and should not be duped into thinking that they are buying 'A versatile, high quality and inexpensive fixie'. It should be made clear that this will fall apart in 2 weeks.. but, you get what you pay for.
Above all, safety is the main issue. These need to be safe for inexperienced riders to use on the road.

I do say on the assembly instructions, as a disclaimer, that if you do not know what you're doing take it to a bike shop to have it assembled.

I don't customise these bikes.

Ada - you have a good idea. I'll put a contest together to give a few of these away to prove that they aren't just another nasty bike

Sacredheart - you're comparing apples to oranges with that track geometry fixie with a completely different ride characteristic

1. So now we're expected to pay top dollar to a bike shop to put it together?

2. I can't have forever alone sticker on seat tube?

3. If you can afford to give some away as a contest (Fuck knows who'll want to win one), how cheap are these for you to buy? £50 all in?

4. Two bikes both advertised as track frames (Yours and Sports Direct's), you charge £50 more cos you keep calling it a fucking fixie.

thanks scoot

Be gentle my friend, there are so few people trying to make a difference to the "fixie bike" market, he probably needs our support more than anything...
andwags: can you do custom orders? I'd like mine a different colour and a Chris King headset, how much would it cost?

Now you are being an ass too!

Basically, hire a website designer.

How much do you charge??

I wish I had web coding skillz but I don't, I'm just a poncy graphic designer who can point out the faults in the design of most things but can't really do much else.

:(

I wish I had web coding skillz but I don't, I'm just a poncy graphic designer who can point out the faults in the design of most things but can't really do much else.

Don't put yourself down like that. I'm also just a poncy graphic designer, but working for a website that is doing much less print work these days meant that I've learnt how to do the odd bit of coding here and there and it all starts to make sense after a while. But usually I just ask the tech guys to do the coding so I can make pretty pictures instead.

Seems a bit like selling a used car with 2 months MOT. "it's a quality chassis that you can upgrade later"

page 3/5

I want to make sure people know what they are getting and what will need improvement later. The goal here was to have a great frame and reliable wheels so the bike is worth upgrading and keeping over the years

Why not just stick to selling frames and wheels then?

I think, before we all get too carried away, that we should ascertain that pisquaredbikes.com isn't a guerilla marketing ploy by Foffa, since the former makes the latter look good competent less of a fly-by-night chancer.

A flat on the Goldhawk Road as premises for company registered 3 months ago and a drop-ship operation shifting boxed, unassembled Chinese crap direct to end users with no pre-delivery inspection. Does this seem like the future of the bicycle industry? More to the point, does a Pi² really look like good value, taking both the product and the pre- and after-sales service as a package, even at ⅔ of the price of a Mongoose Maurice from Wiggle*? Assuming no mechanical competence on the part of the buyer, half that difference is going to be swallowed up in paying a proper bike shop to assemble it, even if you can find a proper bike mechanic who would touch it with a ten foot pole.

I wish I had web coding skillz but I don't, I'm just a poncy graphic designer who can point out the faults in the design of most things but can't really do much else.

Web coding is not hard at all, all you need to know is how to steal codes from other websites!!! And some basic understanding of what they mean. But I gave up web design a long time ago, worked out it'd be better to use a blog or sth.

Why not just stick to selling frames and wheels then?

Because the morons that will buy this don't want the hassle of building a bike. You wouldn't buy a burger bun and some lettuce from McDonalds.

Morons? I've just bought one!

case in point :)

Because the morons that will buy this don't want the hassle of building a bike. You wouldn't buy a burger bun and some lettuce from McDonalds.

I thought morons are usually rich and therefore would go into Evans ans ask for the most expensive bikes without actually knowing how to pedal.

I saw a guy in a bike shop once wanting a custom built fixie that worth a grand without having any knowledge of bike. He kept saying, whatever you say mate, as long as it looks good...