• I totally agree that it is still god awful, Chameleon. I think the LCC are probably doing their best considering the time constraints on this junction, I don't know what their stance is on other designs or if they've got anything waiting in the wings. Perhaps Oliver C can fill us in?

    I suspect that they are approaching things on a piece by piece basis - there may well be room for more improvements but each improvement (of which retaining 20mph is one) has to be addressed one at a time. That's why I've signed the support of the motion in the hope that we can do this one thing at a time.

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