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  • I'm not apologising for their behaviour, I'm throwing doubt on the accuracy of the story as originally told.

    The basis for doing so is just twofold from my perspective:
    1) A new member whom no-one really knows posted a second-hand story.
    2) My own personal experiences of people in the group the story targets is in opposition to the portrayal in the story (of an unprovoked attack on an even-mannered gentleman).

    If some people (be they motorcyclists, Hells Angels or anyone) truly kicked the shit out of someone (which doesn't even sound true, no hospital visit needed so not even broken skin involved), then of course it should be condemned.

    But right now, we have the hearsay of one new member without it being credibly backed up in any way, standing against the experiences of several long established members including myself whose experiences stand in stark contrast.

    So it's in no way victim blaming or being apologists for anyone who might have done something, it's very heavily questioning the truthfulness and accuracy of the told story.

    The second post asked the right question, what are the police doing? But as far as we know, the police haven't been approached. Even though E&C is heavily covered with cameras and it would be incredibly easy to trace them using such footage.

    In fact, as far as we know the only reaction is a guy goes onto a cycling forum to jump and shout. Well, that's an effective way of dealing with things as we all know.

    Is this resolved yet?

    I have no doubt that many Hells Angels are upstanding members of community, nor do I get the impression that they are an active crime gang in the UK as they appear to be elsewhere. For whatever reason people are members, that's fine, but I doubt all of them are nice. For instance, they have fights, now whether they were doing this as Hells Angels or these people were coincidently Hells Angels who fancied a brawl is by the by, some Hells Angels aren't nice people.

    While the OP is a new member (as am I), he isn't the only person showing anecdotal experiences of unsavorary biker behaviour, nor are you the only one saying they're not like that. It seems some people have had only positive encounters and other not so much, but to say that the entire organisation wouldn't beat someone up, when you also mention that someone having a tattoo (why they would and not be one is odd to me, admittedly) would have it forcibly removed, and it didn't read like they would have a whip round for laser removal.

    Whether the OP's story checks out is a bit irrelevant to me getting the feeling of victim blaming, people were trying to explain away the actions before it transpired the cyclist didn't go to hospital. If the bizarre chase occurred, which would have, I imagine, been quite an intimidating experience, it still would have been pretty bad form for another road user to do something like that. And maybe some violence did occur, but the mild mannered middle aged men didn't do a very good job of kicking the shit out of someone, but they might still have done it. Either way, a gesture at a traffic light isn't a reason for it.

    Of course the police should be dealing with it, but if this had happened to another member I wouldn't have been surprised it had a thread started about it.

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