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  • I can see what you mean, Neil, but to elaborate on what Andy said, obviously yellow cross-hatching applies at all times (with the exception that Ben mentions) and not just when the lights are at red. Whether they were to be painted behind or in front of a stop line, it would also mean that as queues started to move, people in the queue would have to wait ahead of that area if they couldn't exit on the other side, which would happen often.

    Also, your proposal would mean that ASL boxes wouldn't be available as waiting areas at the head of a queue of traffic any more, as the point of yellow cross-hatching is to discourage staying in them at all times.

    I've often said that I don't think ASLs make a lot of sense, and certainly not in the way in which they are currently legally configured. This is largely (I think) because of the confusion that arises about having two stop lines. If a different kind of line could be introduced that cyclists could cross but motorists couldn't (also eliminating the problems with the lead-in lane--nearside, narrow, advisory, or not there at all), this might work better, but that's not likely to happen.

    I could go on, as it's a pretty knotty problem.

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