Stop the Cuts - National Demonstration

That is disgusting. Complaint submitted.

But it's not as disgusting as the Richard Littlejohn piece on the matter.

Jody McIntyre is a friend of mine, the treatment he received from both police and the BBC newsreader was ridiculous. Watching the interview the guy was obviously trying to make Jody out as if he is the bad person in all this, and posed his questions in such a way that he thought Jody would trip up, but he handled it very well. It's a shame that a few idiots in the crowd tarnished the real message this protest hoped to acheive. I know for a fact that there were large groups of people there only to cause chaos, robbing people, hurling stuff at police. The police's reaction was to charge the protesters, what do they think the reaction is going to be when you charge a group of people, peaceful or otherwise? I read somewhere that they will introduce water cannons at protests soon. This can only make things worse...

Talking about university fees...

I was lucky enough to study for free at a nationalised university in a post communist country.
The good thing was, all the national institutions providing higher education were financed by a tax payer.
The bad thing was, you couldn't just go and enroll - you'd have to pass an entry exam which was usually very hard (ca. 10 candidates per place) and after a series of fairly difficult exams every semester.

Later on private universities and colleges appeared (mainly MBAs providing affairs) which charge a yearly fee for the privilege of higher education.
Master degree from a national free institution - be it a university or an art/film academy means much more till this day, even people who pay for their education supposed to be better motivated.

So, what I'm saying is, I don't see anything wrong with free higher education (or mixed one). As everyone has right to use it, every one could pay for it. At the end of the day, this country needs specialists, scientists, engineers, architects and even artists and journalists.

Make those who drop off or fail pay cash for whatever education services they used up to date.

Yep, terrible.

And where on earth does the suggestion that projectiles were thrown by Jody McIntyre come from other than the imagination of Ben Brown !?

We don't know! Plenty are trying to justify the new shit, in tv and not only.

i wonder when the anarchists will post up pictures of the naughty policemen who did some violence / ott behaviour during the riots

might be a nice countermeasure

I think if the student leaders had condemned the violence, they would have retained a lot more public sympathy. Everyone is getting hit by cuts at the moment, yet you dont see people lobbing bricks at the police, smashing up public buildings and defacing national monuments.

As it is, if anything the protests have had the exact opposite effect of what they where trying to achieve.

Charlie Gilmour alone has done more damage to the campaign than a bunch of anarchists joining in for shits and giggles.

VV, are the cuts going to cost you personally close to 18k over three years?

If more people were hit as hard as students are about to be financially, you would see a lot more protesting.

just as you said, it came from Ben Brown trying to hardest to prove he is the biggest cunt on the planet.

complaint submitted. I want Ben Brown off the air. He better not be filmed something while I cycle past.

More - VAT rise and Income Tax hit me by more than that in a year.

On a side note, and i doubt it apples to many here - but anyone going on to a career in the city is likely to have their fees paid for them by their employer

As it is, if anything the protests have had the exact opposite effect of what they where trying to achieve.

quite possibly true - however if i were to sneak up on you and kick you in the nuts repeatedly and tell you it's for your own good, you'd have a thing or two to say about i'd wager.

/not that i would mind you, im sure you're a lovely chap. besides - i'm more of a cockpunch kinda guy.

More - VAT rise and Income Tax hit me by more than that in a year.

On a side note, and i doubt it apples to many here - but anyone going on to a career in the city is likely to have their fees paid for them by their employer

Congrats on being very well off, but my point stands (I feel). You said cuts are affecting everyone, and you don't see them protesting. I'm pretty sure, however, if you asked everyone in the UK, poor-to-rich (as there is no progressive payment scheme here), to fork out 18k, you'd see a whole lot more people on the streets.

Seriously though. How rich to you have to be to lose 18k just through tax increases in one year? Fuck me.

Not that rich - i have my own business - the tax hits on that, plus the tax hits on my income, plus the fact that VAT rises mean i have to accomodate the rise within my existing fee structure, mean i will be worse off.

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Congrats on being very well off, but my point stands (I feel). You said cuts are affecting everyone, and you don't see them protesting. I'm pretty sure, however, if you asked everyone in the UK, poor-to-rich (as there is no progressive payment scheme here), to fork out 18k, you'd see a whole lot more people on the streets.

You are really bending the argument more than it will sustain.

No one is asking anyone to fork out 18k in one go, nor over three years.

It's national troll a tory day!
http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2010/12/12/national-troll-a-tory-day-–-december-15th/

Get involved, I got my alternative email and now off to borrow some internet from somewhere and get trolling..

Exactly - my point was i am far worse off than 18k over 3 years, not in one year.

You stated 3 years - which is 6k a year.

Oh yeah, thanks :)

Not that rich - i have my own business - the tax hits on that, plus the tax hits on my income, plus the fact that VAT rises mean i have to accomodate the rise within my existing fee structure, mean i will be worse off.

I know fuck all about this confusing and magical world. Anyway. Again. Tell everyone in the UK to fork over 6k a year for three years - as a fee for the pleasure of bankers fucking up - and you will see a lot of angry people.

You are really bending the argument more than it will sustain.

No one is asking anyone to fork out 18k in one go, nor over three years.

I disagree. You're right, they can pay it off as long as it takes them. However, they are being asked to pay off 18k for three years of experience.

A 6k a year fee dropped on everyone in the UK, which can be paid back over 60 years, does not change anything, in my opinion.

Labour must be having a right old laugh about this, they caused the mess, leave the others to clear it up and take the blame.

I think its very misguided of people to be so anti Tory/Coalition - its the political system thats fucked up, with all the parties guilty of pandering to commerce and unrealistic economic expansion at the expense of social progress.

If anything i revile Labour more than any other party for selling their history totally down the drain.

lots of people who pay capital gains tax are gonna be worse off in big straight up lump sums.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/article7137514.ece

I didn't see too many of them swinging on the cenotaph

They'll be employing tax consultants to help them dodge as much of it as they can. Which most of the UK population can ill afford to do.

They'll be employing tax consultants to help them dodge as much of it as they can. Which most of the UK population can ill afford to do.

is this in relation to CGT?