What is a hipster? Look at this fucking hipster...

Popcorn outbreaks everywhere... Shit be goin' crazy...

If only there was music thread. Or six.

I would but i'm on the train..

Fortunately this has just come in.

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Thats more like it. WAC

What the fuck is with his hair? I don't claim to be stylish at all but his hair is hilarious, not in a good way either.

Surely its time to shave whats left of your hair.

This can be annoying if its a snide twat looking down their nose at you when they say it but I can think of tons of bands who were better earlier on in their careers but not so many who peeked during the latter half of their history.

Oh yeah me too, without a doubt, but it's just such a cliche and is often is used willy nilly to make one sound perhaps more informed than one actually is.

I would but i'm on the train..

Ok then...

There's that very fine line between the hipsterism and douchebagery

not only did they cross that line, both ways, they crossed the 'let's-take-promo-shots-in-hdr' line while they were at it

you know who else are really great live?

/any takers?

:D

Also, I don't mind Test Icicles. And I would not be ashamed to admit I enjoy a bit of Lightspeed Champion.

Fortunately this has just come in.

cc;dl

cc;dl

a.p.a.c.

"I went to two years of lumberjack film school.”

I see your point about society, music doesn't really reflect anything much right now because there isn't really (arguably) as much going on.
But there was still plenty of tripe in previous decades. Overwhelming amounts of pap and smeg.

This is certainly true. You always get the dross. I may be getting old, but my feeling is that among the dross the highlights are now much fewer and farther between. Apart from a very few things I liked I already thought music had gone shit when I was growing up (80s). That that feeling has intensified may well be because I've been busy getting old. Mind you, I'm not very musical and my judgement is fairly limited.

And it turns out that the music that stood the test of time, and became "classic" is often the very stuff that was berated at the time for being talentless noise. All music is sneered at when it is contemporary, its way more hip to sample something old.

Hm, you're right to say that it is 'often' stuff that was berated at the time, but 'the test of time' is a notoriously difficult idea. A building can stand 'the test of time' by not collapsing too quickly. To apply 'the test of time' to aesthetic opinions is a lot less straightforward--how do you establish your criteria?

You probably don't mean to refer to this, but it's true that critical reception by the musical establishment tends to be conservative and wary of innovation. It also tends to focus on the political aspects of innovation rather than the aesthetic aspects, or, if it takes into account aesthetic aspects essentially dislikes the intermingling of stylistic aspects of recognisable quality (e.g., a timeless beautiful melody as in 'Yesterday') with 'innovative' factors (e.g. the use of distorted guitars (a genuine musical innovation) in the arrangement of a song that they might otherwise consider quite classically conservative).

Conservatism of 'the musical establishment' is not a yardstick to measure this by. For instance, if you take most modernist 'classical' music, most of which is genuinely unpleasant, most people would still rather listen to 'Rhapsody in Blue' than to something by Schönberg, and attempts by apologists for modernist classical music to big it up are usually quite amusing. Nonetheless, even though the musical establishment has by now rather got behind cacophonous modernism, it cannot be said to 'have stood the test of time'.

I don't think you can blame the overwhelming majority of people that enjoy shit music on "the man" either. There is plenty more going on than that.

Of course--people enjoy certain kinds of 'music' because their social group 'enjoys' that music. It can give them a sense of belonging, as well as cater for other interests that are extraneous to purely aesthetic concerns. As someone once said (can't remember who), 'people just like the music they first got laid to'. This is obviously not true, but it contains the true point that music is often/generally used to achieve purposes other than aesthetic edification. :)

The main change that I recognise from 'the old days' is that I certainly think there is a major problem in the way that critical reviewing has evolved. I now find it even less interesting than it was ten or twenty years ago (my memory doesn't go further back than that). It generally feels political; e.g., this is a British film, the UK music industry is an important economic factor, so let's not rubbish an utter piece of toss like Ian McEwan's 'Atonement', but praise it to the skies. It seems that pretty much everything into which a lot of effort has gone must receive a warm welcome. You hardly ever find a pasting today outside of John Crace's Digested Reads. There's a good deal of political dishonesty here.

Oh well, tl;os.

"I went to two years of lumberjack film school.”

hoonz?

Can't recall and can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but it belongs here....

That really is a face palm moment..

yeah, i doubt he needs a battery pack, and the softbox isn't doing anything.

He looks like that muppet from Kasabian, Serge whotsit.

pabst blue ribbon? check.
faux prison tatts? check
unfeasibly large 'i am an artist my mind is a garden' camera? check
in venue that sports ironic (read - shit the first time round and not much better since) 'art'? check.

dingdingding!

Looks like a cool guy. I bet he parties.

Surely its time to shave whats left of your hair.

"The Millenium Comb-over"