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i bought a pair of what seem to be their last model of them and i found them shocking.
these ones.
http://www.prendas.co.uk/details.asp?typ=mfc&fkid=11&ID=2558
too hot when the temperature is about 10-12 degrees c and then useless if it drops below 2.
no liner or insulation.
they fit well so i guess they have a plus point.
only 12 quid so not too fussed but i wouldn't rate them.
sorry, not what you want to hear!