For Sale: Bike shelf

And Thom remember it is actually people like you that make this world a far better place to be in than the scumbags like him,who occasionally pull one off. Long term Your outlook is a more satisfying and fulfilling way to live life.
Ed.

So shelf orders?

Bike Shelf for sale on Bike Radar - what do you reckon - same price - new name?

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12736478

Nah, doesn't write anything like him. Someone else has just done the same thing.

someone with a C+ account should put a link on there to this thread.

Nah, doesn't write anything like him. Someone else has just done the same thing.

For exactly the same price?

For exactly the same price?

Nah, Johnny, I mean Hubot said 'around £65'

http://www.lfgss.com/post1721522-633.html

http://www.lfgss.com/post1721526-635.html

Have offered to make as many shelves needed and no one is taking me up on my offer pah will also install and entertain pets with interpretive dance

Hi everyone.

I'm 'the mate' in question - although let's be quite clear, my relationship with Hubot extends to him sending me a PM asking about a shelf, and whether if he got some orders for some more then would I give him a discount on his - to which I (apparently foolishly given the history here) said yes. Hmm.

Anyway, to answer the main points brought up in this thread;
1) Bad Karma, Yup. my design is influenced strongly by the very lovely American product, but a) it is by no means identical, b) It's not the only very similar thing out there and c) I believe reproduction furniture is rather a large industry - I don't feel I need to apologise and I am acknowledging the influence.
2) How can I make it for £65 delivered? Because I am not a company. I have a day job (surface engineering) but I am also a carpentry hobbyist. Now I've run through a few prototypes I can make one in about two hours of labour and £15 in materials. Nobody is going to get rich but I figure if I make ten or fifteen of these then I've paid for my one with enough left over for a couple of bottles of decent wine. Plus I get to zen out in my workshop for a few evenings :-)
3) Here's my example;


4) And yes, I will make to your bikes dimensions and, for an additional £5, stain to whatever wood colour you like. I promise you won't be disappointed by the quality, and if you're worried then I will be perfectly happy to sell to you via eBay where I have a large 100% feedback rating and you can have all the Paypal protection you want.

I apologise that I've been linked to a bad rep. I'm not out to 'make a fast buck' at Knife and Saws expense - I'm planning on making no more than 20 and coming out with some unarguably original designs shortly (I also like to work with iron and steel, I've some nice ideas that I might play with this weekend.

Simon

what method do you use to attach the shelf to the wall? big masonry screws?

Blutak

old chewie combined with manjuice?

Velcro

The shelf is attached using two steel L brackets that are screwed into the wall (with the appropriate screws depending on what your wall is constructed from) and then screwed into the underside of the top of the shelf with four self drilling screws (both these and the brackets are supplied). The result is very strong and stable, my six year old can sit on it without the slightest hint of wobble.

Man juice and velcro may be added at your discretion.

it is by no means identical

Actually, I agree with you. It doesn't look identical. It looks like a cheap knock off.

Saw a couple of chaps measuring up their version of a bike shelf against an Olmo (I think it was, blue, nice bike) in the Deptford Project yard at the weekend.

Looked like a nice little workshop they had in the arches under the livestock stairs.

Actually, I agree with you. It doesn't look identical. It looks like a cheap knock off.

A 'cheap knock off' may be all a lot of people can afford. And even if the looks are compromised the functionality might well be the same. Unlike buying knock off trainers or perfume, say.
I want to know how the guy knows Johnny Rau and is he aware of just what a conniving little shit the boy is?

@Wiganwill,
As I've said before, no. I'm afraid that when I was approached by Hubot/Johnny Rau/Whatever he's known as I had no idea that the man has history. Simply put there was a discussion regarding the American version of the bike shelf on Bikeradar and I offered to make them (because I fancied one myself). He PMd me and asked for details, then asked that if he got some other orders from his friends would I give him a discount on one. I said yes. In retrospect that was naive as I had no idea who the guy was.

I promise however that far from being cheap, my shelf is just not overpriced (mainly because I don't have any overheads and this is a beer money exercise for me). Whilst it's not my main profession I am a damn good carpenter and the finish on this is satin smooth, the construction is solid as a rock.

Knockoff? Depends on how you define the word I guess. I prefer 'custom built to the highest standard in homage to an existing design that most of us can't afford'. Incidentally I'm getting enquiries to modify the design to individual requirements, like being able to lock the bike to the shelf with a D lock. Can do.

Sorry if I've ruffled feathers by association, but I'm just a 'workshop behind the house craftsman for fun' - gets me away from the day job. Whatever he-of-many-IDs may have been up to it's nothing to do with me.

@Matty
Actually I agree, it looks better in a darker stain and lower profile. Can do.

I have a plan for a similar unit using bent steel bar, railing finnials and a flying shelf which I think will look even better - I'll see about making the prototype on the weekend.

By the way though, part of the issue is that the photographs I took were in my livingroom with a casio, not in a studio with a lighting rig and a Hassleblad - also probably why they have to charge $300 plus postage?

SimonAH, props for coming on here and defending (though to a certain extent you shouldn't need to) your reputation, many a forum business has started from people doing stuff for beer money.
I've got several bikes (haven't we all) and I'm looking for a way to create some space, if your metal versions were to have some sort of shelving and securing option included would be interested in a couple.
Hopefully your honesty will be rewarded with a couple of sales through this here forum...

@Matty [...] By the way though, part of the issue is that the photographs I took were in my livingroom with a casio, not in a studio with a lighting rig and a Hassleblad - also probably why they have to charge $300 plus postage?

Probably true, but also probably because he's using walnut, and you're using what looks like pine. Maybe his price reflects the amount of work he put into designing and refining it? I doubt he's looking to recoup the cost of a camera from selling a few shelves.

those guys in the Deptford Project space are really sound - both design grads from Goldsmiths running a charity around second hand bikes

@ SimonAH, Sorry but it's purely because i don't trust JohhnRau boy twat.

But from what i've read from your posts above you say you only came across twat because he PM"d you about this.

Form reading your post history, i can't quite work out how he came to the conclusion (enough to PM you about it) that you'd be up for manufacturing shelves??

A very random connection from what i see so far...

To quote the famous:
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