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oddly enough ed they are harder to find here, all those ebay "pick up only" and gumtree finds are pretty slim on the ground, Literally on gumtree in six months there has been one rourke frame and a david lloyd bike for £250.
New road bikes go for good money but I have a sinking feeling too that a lot of people put no value on older frames so it just goes to the dump :(
Hopefully have struck lucky tho, wonder what he has rubs hands