I'll make you famous (or Adidas will)

"Demand for the goods sets the price paid, supply of labour sets the wage price."

I think we're socialised to be greedy.

Legislation is an extremely blunt tool, and a last resort in my honest opinion.

This is why only legislation will work.

I will never surrender my beard.

Me neither. So I don't qualify. Also I'm not male.

1. There is such thing as international legislation
   
2. Like you say, trade union/ legislative protection = "one reason", 2 if I were to be pedantic, but I shall refrain
   
3. Your suggestion is valid as part of a wider strategy. I intended my post to be a quick comment/ tuppence worth, rather than a complete and exhaustive action plan for radical reform of global economics, business and foreign labour markets.
   
   

Come on mate...you genuinely expected to find my solution to sweatshop exploitation in a thread entitled "I'll make you famous (or Adidas will)"?

*Sorry, while typing this I realised that I probably took your post a little more seriously than intended - FTFY

Apologies in advance if that sounds a little patronising.

N3lson...it's why legislation WON'T work. As long as we think that way it'll always be socially acceptable to pay someone clever to get round the wording of legislation.

It's as futile as........I'm going home. Have fun, and I mean that genuinely.

We needed to legislate here to get minimum wages and periodical increases.
Saying that society needs to change to do that itself is a little patronising.

This pre-supposes that everyone is inherently greedy. I think we're socialised to be greedy. Changing our spending habits changes supply, because demand drives supply. Corps only make what they think they can sell. If no one buys unethically produced clothing, where's the incentive to make it?

From memory, Tiswas was quoting Adam Smith's market theory, which remains the standard 'how the market works' textbook (although lots of people have disagreed with it since). The problem is that companies drop their prices until people buy things.

That, and the public memory is short ... so articles about how Primark were caught using illegal immigrants and paying below the minimum wage have little effect on consumers shopping there.

But yes, back to discussion about shoes :)

1. There is such thing as international legislation
   
   
   

An interesting statement if erroneous.

I'm as sceptical of the political ideology of the NGOs in this area as I am of the business case. there's a confusion between being correct and being on the right side. just because they are standing up for the little man doesn't mean they're not talking sh*t. tuppence worth, masters degree etc.

That, and the public memory is short ... so articles about how Primark were caught using illegal immigrants and paying below the minimum wage have little effect on consumers shopping there.

But yes, back to discussion about shoes :)

Such articles tend to appear in parts of newpapers that most Primark shoppers don't read.

[/totally arrogant b/s]

Such articles tend to appear in newpapers that most Primark shoppers don't read.

FTFY

[/totally arrogant Guardian reader b/s]

[/totally arrogant Guardian reader b/s]

FYI Guardian company policy is to sack its sub editors a day before they receive full employment rights and re-employ them the next day.

/bitter hack

Didn't they also fire the reception staff and hire agency workers? Seem to recall reading that in Private Eye...

Almost as bad as the New Statesman having a no union policy.

They must have an urban style

MASSIVE MIRTH ATTACK

What, stone?

repped hard in the face

If Addidas used fat, slightly balding men in their late middle age with palid appearances, rosecea, glasses, size 11 feet and looking as though the only exercise they had done in decades was to move between pub and betting shop, I'd certainly be tempted to buy their stuff.

Lucky escape. Right to the last sentence I was convinced you are talking about me.

i'm a bit lost with this argument, considering the computer you're using is probably a massive offender in the environmental and human rights departments.

His computer was recycled. Fact.

But my interpretation of athletic may be different from their interpretation. Im more a skinny armed, big thighed, round bellied physique of a cycle sprinter or a weightlifter.

Don't fool yourself. It's called pear shaped.

Who got the gig then?

Who got the gig then?

Read the first post. Selection process.

Who got the gig then?

Someone with small feet.

Weightlifter's have skinny arms?

Olympic weightlifters do yes. Arm muscle is kind of redundant and gets in the way. Its all about the hips/legs. Thats what you use to throw the weight up, then you catch the weight on locked out arms. No need for arm muscle. Just enough on the shoulder girdle to keep it all stable.

Youll see some weightlifters with big arms, but thats either because they grew that way naturally, they took steroids or they trained them purely for looks.

Don't fool yourself. It's called pear shaped.

The perfect weightlifters physique is pear shaped!

Look at the skinny arms! Snatching over 170kg

just saying is all that most of the people here own some bike made in the east,let alone there clothes, its the pleasure of the western lifestyle

legestation in country's is all well and good, were not in them country's so there nothing we can do about it, you can scream and shout as much as you like, won't change a thing

you can ask companys to go all ethical but ethical isn't the norm, hence why even the ethical topshop range looked all mung bean hippy. can they make there entire range ethical, probably, but ethical is a tag they can use to jump up prices so people over here feel better about there shitty t-shirt. if everything is ethical, where is the appeal for the people who love to feel smug?

there isn't any, end of the day nothing will change, to get average joe JD sports to think about ethics is gonna be a long long long long time coming,

the only possible way to maybe make a change is to implement our our rules that ethically sourced products have less tax's on them saving money for us and company's, then perhaps change will happen, but its still far to complex for internet arguments to deal with

as i see it, big company's get it constantly about being good to there workers in factory's. they properly use the best factory's around and make sure their seen to do enough. leveing failing factory's or smiler. its the small company's you need to watch out for in the exploiting stakes. Plus the factorys in the long run only seem bad to our fancy pants western lifestyle,

oh and i applied for this ad, i want £350 and i like adidas,

What's this got to do with cycling? Men are being objectified. This thread belongs with "glossy photos"!! You're gonna put males off riding bikes forever tsk...tsk

have look at the TITs at Abercrombie & Fitch. Proper plums.

@Clive Seriously, I know a fella that'll do 5 for £20

Olympic weightlifters do yes. Arm muscle is kind of redundant and gets in the way. Its all about the hips/legs. Thats what you use to throw the weight up, then you catch the weight on locked out arms. No need for arm muscle. Just enough on the shoulder girdle to keep it all stable.

Makes sense