26" vs 700c

http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2010/03/when_700cmx_is_no_longer_700c.php

after reading this article on prolly and reading the stats from a poll on trick track that 49% of people on there are riding 26" it quite suprised me. I've heard a bit about it but never knew there were that many people doing it, not front and back anyway. On the smaller size trick frames i think aesthetically it looks sweet, it's made me think and i kind of like the idea of it. Even though i've just got a new set of 700c wheels built up i'm kinda tempted to just buy a scissor and stick 26" wheels on it and stick some drops on my cutter and use it as a commuter. What are other people's thoughts on 26" wheels on freestyle setup's, I know its a controversial subject.

'get a bmx' = 'piss off' ;)

Like for like a 26" wheel will be stronger, so it makes some sense, although I'd be careful about putting 26" wheels in a frame built for 700c wheels

Which 26inch though? 559 ,597 or590,559 being mtb the others being Old 1 x 1 1/4 and 1X1 3/8 one of which is still used in bike speedway you may get away with one of them with short cranks but not the mtb size

i am thinking about it, im going to build up a 700c wheel set for my scissor. If it breaks too quickly i will slap on some 26"s

For small bikes, yes.
For big bikes, no.

It's that simple.

My polo/trick/crashing arounf bike is 26" but it's also an old MTB frame which I spose makes it a bit diff. The wheels are unkillable though.

26s = more fun + more people hating on you.

I'm going 26" because I'm really short and heavy (fat kid) and will have to buy a tiny frame. As for commuting, I will stick to 700c.

Not trying to stir anything up here, just curious.
I dont ride freestyle myself, but I used to ride street on a 26" mtb frame. Ive always wondered why so much development is going into making burlier trick bikes with massive tyre clearance when there are already tonnes of existing mtb street frames that could easily run fixed.
Is it a size/standover height/geometry issue?

they don't look as cool?

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=26&word2=700

I think most of it is trying to still maintaing a commutable bike!

Not trying to stir anything up here, just curious.
I dont ride freestyle myself, but I used to ride street on a 26" mtb frame. Ive always wondered why so much development is going into making burlier trick bikes with massive tyre clearance when there are already tonnes of existing mtb street frames that could easily run fixed.
Is it a size/standover height/geometry issue?

Some dude from Asia uses a really 26" MTB looking frame, no idea what it is though.
He done a back flip on it as well!

yeah...

YouTube- KOZO Backflip at Shiokaze'10

/thread

I think most of it is trying to still maintaing a commutable bike!

I think this is probably one of the initial attractions to 700c fixed bikes for a lot of us who dont really come from road bike backgrounds. They are great for commuting (unlike BMX and typical MTB trick bikes) but they are still fun for mucking about on seeing what tricks you can do.

Fast commuting bike that can do tricks = lots of fun.

But I agree, that most peoples 700c trick bikes are essentially hybrids. A 700c bike with risers and fatter tyres. Does that sound familiar? Theyd probably be more convenient with freewheel/gears too.

The ultimate urban trick bike that still goes fast would probably be a 26" trials bike with skinny tyres like Ryan Leech rides.

But I guess to add more "go fast" edge, its got to be all rigid and have more of a road/commuter feel. So a typical freewheel commuter bike would probably be just fine.

Volume put out a 26" BMX which was aimed at people who wanted a bike that was still good for commuting:

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm296/southsidess/Zslide1.jpg

Heres a fixed setup of a BMW park. Looks fucking awful, I think the owner was barking up the wrong tree. I think a lot of mtb frames have geometry setup with the expectation of a long suspension fork. Also, the clearences are massive because they expect you to put on huge tyres.

http://www.w-base.com/mt/bike_check/images/bmw-park-fix.jpg

Here is a more typical setup of a BMW park:

http://www.w-base.com/mt/bike_check/images/park-fat-grn.jpg

Not trying to stir anything up here, just curious.
I dont ride freestyle myself, but I used to ride street on a 26" mtb frame. Ive always wondered why so much development is going into making burlier trick bikes with massive tyre clearance when there are already tonnes of existing mtb street frames that could easily run fixed.
Is it a size/standover height/geometry issue?

thats exactly what i was thinking, seems pointless when these bikes already exist, and are designed better for tricks with lower top tubes

Not trying to stir anything up here, just curious.
I dont ride freestyle myself, but I used to ride street on a 26" mtb frame. Ive always wondered why so much development is going into making burlier trick bikes with massive tyre clearance when there are already tonnes of existing mtb street frames that could easily run fixed.
Is it a size/standover height/geometry issue?

I thought the same and asked about this on a thread ages ago. The reply was because the geo is too slack, therefore no good for fixed tricks.

I have zero knowlege on this subject so accepted it as ture.

Im surprised its to do with the geo, I mean it seems like most of the hardcore fixed street riders are just pulling bmx tricks which is what the mtb frames are designed for. I would have guessed that the main issue is that street mtbs are designed to have slammed saddles/seatposts. Riding fixed whilst constantly standing up isnt going to be that fun and as proved with that Brooklyn, having a massive seatpost just looks terrible.

as I said yesterday, they don't look as cool...

Im surprised its to do with the geo, I mean it seems like most of the hardcore fixed street riders are just pulling bmx tricks which is what the mtb frames are designed for. I would have guessed that the main issue is that street mtbs are designed to have slammed saddles/seatposts. Riding fixed whilst constantly standing up isnt going to be that fun and as proved with that Brooklyn, having a massive seatpost just looks terrible.

a quick release seat clamp solves this and is already used by fixed trick riders.

the frames are a completely redundant fad imo.

... but they are still fun for mucking about on seeing what tricks you can do.

But surely you either are just 'mucking about' which you can do on any bike or your seriously into doing tricks, in which case you should go buy a bmx.
Crap, I hate that whole 'buy a bmx' argument but honestly, there is like a very very select bunch of people doing the kind of tricks on their fixed wheel bikes which require a fixed drivetrain.
Everyone else is just doing what kids half their age on bikes half as expensive that break half as often are doing twice as well.

Oh and those ain't 26" wheels, 24" max.

Volume put out a 26" BMX which was aimed at people who wanted a bike that was still good for commuting:

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm296/southsidess/Zslide1.jpg

Oh yes it is.

Hmmm, pedals seat and bars look too big compared to the whels.
The sprocket looks too small though.
Oh well.

i've got a charge stove with 26" wheels, it is not easy to go fast or long distances on but makes a nice neighbourhood cruiser

Crap, I hate that whole 'buy a bmx' argument but honestly, there is like a very very select bunch of people doing the kind of tricks on their fixed wheel bikes which require a fixed drivetrain.

Totally agree. For the majority of people It would be far more fun on that 26" Volume - 24" to you :-)
General messing about type tricks on fixed just end up clumsy. Wish that Volume had not been posted as I like the look of that!