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Ah, yeah, tai chi is a great and powerful martial art when trained with intent. I had the pleasure of doing a couple of sessions with Neil Rosiak, and those guys were proper tough, I had no chance in sparring. Quite a lot of takedowns and throws.
Again, they did proper conditioning, proper agression level, proper sparring. They compete in Lei Tai/San Shou competitions and win quite a few if I understood that right.
Also he traines MMA guys, Sami Berrik being one of the guys that caem out successful.
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The above works - if you get a chance & want an experience - try a training session with the chief, Dennis
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You have a good point about the boxing, but imo it's a pretty aggresive martial art.
Getting into a fist fight can go any which way, and people can get seriously hurt.
What I want is to be able to take someones attack do some fresh moves and end up with them on their knees yelping with me holding their little finger behind their head, telling them to calm down... or something along those lines.
Unless you're thinking about doing Tai Chi then all martial arts are aggressive but boxing isn't just about belting people around the ring... ok it mostly is. I boxed at Angel ABC for a few years and out of all the combat sports I've done over the years (inc Muay Thai, Shaolin Kung Fu) I found it the most satisfying and rewarding and certainly the best for fitness. In terms of self-defence, boxing and Thai are probably the best for close encounters of a nightclub/dark alley kind.
If this post seems a bit testosterone-fuelled, let me assure you that I'm no taller than Pistinator and a bit fat these days.
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My advice? get some of these bad boys: break the wrist, walk away.
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Unless you're thinking about doing Tai Chi then all martial arts are aggressive (...) I found it the most satisfying and rewarding and certainly the best for fitness.
In my (limited) experience, Capoeira fills both of these roles; while it can be both full-contact and aggressive, it also places a large emphasis on agility, spatial awareness and reading the intentions and movements of other people, quickly. It's also awesome for core strength, flexibility, and cardio-vascular stamina... It's often seen as a bit of a joke martial art, but this is mainly based on common misconceptions about the practice.
These two videos are two brilliant examples of capoeira.
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Pascale, I will let you know when my cousin is in town. He went all the way from tae kwon do to southern styles.
He doesn't do combat now, as he's running his own law firm and can't face customers with bruises and does only shows with weapon forms (more like choreography really) and works for a society popularising Wushu and Chinese culture.Despite winning various european championships and getting silver medal in world championship, he'd rather talk things down or run :-) His mates from the Hung Gar school were attacked by scum with baseball bats and despite putting up a good fight, they still needed a hospital treatment for serious fractures, so there are no Jedi miracles...
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You have a good point about the boxing, but imo it's a pretty aggresive martial art.
Getting into a fist fight can go any which way, and people can get seriously hurt.
If you are in a fist fight with a boxer, there's only one way it will go.
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My advice? get some of these bad boys: break the wrist, walk away.
Rep'd!!!
"You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys?"
Fuckin A.
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I'm thinking about taking up a martial art, I'm looking at doing Jujitsu. It looks like a good balance of offensive and defensive that I could, if needed, apply to a real life situation.
Anyone done any Jujitsu that would reccomend it?
I did Aikido and Kung Fu when I was young, and thought in a sense Jujitsu might come in between those 2 disciplines.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, it's one of the few martial arts that's proven over and over again in a realistic environment and allows you to perform live sparring.
If you want something properly rounded, MMA classes will give you punching, kicking, takedowns and groundwork. Ignore the 'cage-fighting / UFC' connotations.
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I'd somewhat disagree. I am doing Wing Chun, I'm up to the Pole Form now and have most of the Dummy, meaning that there's not that much left in the system.
Anyway, as I am training this for the "wellness" aspect rather than for fighting/self defence, I got somehow tougher than when I started, but I very much doubt I'd be able to pull magic tricks in a punch up, or survive a proper fight with someone conditioned.
If your not someone genetically gifted with a big strong punch, lots of reach, good chin, can jump around a lot & kick really high then I consider this a very good option.
The beauty of it is, that with wing chun you get to do very physical sparring/chi sao immediately. Thats the bread and butter of learning it. Pretty damn close to real life.
Would it be possible to go train bareknuckle boxing or muay thai realistically without getting seriously fucked up?
Do you really think you are physically capable of doing that type of fighting?
Wing Chun seems a very efficient means for striking & trapping blows without doing massive exuberant swinging of arms and legs which require large amounts of born-athleticism to be effective. Best thing is that it will probably be as effective when you are 80 years old.
Seems to be a very good base, just like Bruce lee pointed out, there are obviously limitations "use what is useful ...etc" perhaps throw some other stuff on top to be well rounded? Id go for some sort of wrestling, because again it lets you train in a full contact kind of way and develops practical strength merely by practicing. You could probably get decent at it just by practicing with a friend too.
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In my (limited) experience, Capoeira fills both of these roles; while it can be both full-contact and aggressive, it also places a large emphasis on agility, spatial awareness and reading the intentions and movements of other people, quickly. It's also awesome for core strength, flexibility, and cardio-vascular stamina... It's often seen as a bit of a joke martial art, but this is mainly based on common misconceptions about the practice.
These two videos are two brilliant examples of capoeira.
The only difference being that capoeira makes you look like a berk ;)
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If you want something properly rounded, MMA classes will give you punching, kicking, takedowns and groundwork. Ignore the 'cage-fighting / UFC' connotations.
the thing is, all the places doing "MMA" classes are exactly that. They are just going of the hype of the UFC. If asked about at a few of these places, by MMA they rarely actually mean mixed martial arts, what they mean is "you know, like UFC".
Basically some half arsed kick boxing and attempts at "ground & pound". They rarely have the high quality instructors in specific disciplines, like BJJ.
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I have dabbled in a few Martial Arts.
The only one where I felt prepared for getting jumped was Ninjitsu, but that was perhaps down to getting battered a lot of the time and having to maintain fighting stamina, get up after a knock down in sparring etc. Also afterwards if we went for a drink I knew I was in a pub full of Ninjas, haha.
Did learn some nice things about exploiting human anatomy withs ome simple jabs and twists.
Loads more fun that Aikido but wayyyy more black eyes and bloody noses and cracked ribs and ....
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Malaysian,
If you arent too picky about doing a martial art but want a more self defence orientated system then i would highly recommend getting involved in the Beyond Fighting group in Leeds.The club operates at the uni and at various gyms round the city. I reckon the uni sessions are more varied and more intense.
30 (?) quid for a years membership and 2-6 pounds for a 2 hour session at the uni (more for the external classes).
Sessions are split pretty evenly between kickboxing (sport) and krav maga (self defence) and there are some free sparring specific classes as well.
Really good friendly club. highly recommended
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Forget all this violence and anger, go to a yoga class instead. Peace out.
Having said that, I did tiger crane kung fu and chinese kickboxing when I was a teenager, and enjoyed it. Never had to use it in 'real life' and wouldn't want to.
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It's often seen as a bit of a joke martial art, but this is mainly based on common misconceptions about the practice.
And fucking Capoeira? What are we doing, having a fuckin dance off? I've seen West Side Story motherfucker! I'll ruin you!
This. :)
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The only difference being that capoeira makes you look like a berk ;)
Other martial arts, of course, maintain a lofty air of dignity.
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That he will get stabbed.
Not everyone carries a knife. And then it wouldn't be a fist fight, I think.
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Not everyone carries a knife. And then it wouldn't be a fist fight, I think.
Only twats have fist fights on the street anyway. Where you really need some self-defence is when you are rounded up by yoofs with a bike chain and a knife, you can't run and you know they will stamp on your head. Tyson was mugged by kids in West London.
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Like I've said: I never had to experience street violence since I was, what, 18 or so.
If in a situation, I'd probably just try to call the police. And run.
I've better things to do than train for a situation I never wish to -- and most likely will never have to -- encounter.
(And I've done some kyusho jitsu tuite, muay thai and wing chun in the past. 'Twas fun back then, but nowadays I just try to visit the gym every once in a while.)
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I think you need to do some Tai Chi.
A proper practitioner will teach you form and application.
I would disagree with the comment about forms being learnt wearing a Gi having no application in real life. I learnt Judo from a young age and having applied it in real life i would say the Gi is usefull for gripping but is not essential for application.
The Gi helps to hold onto some one after throwing them, whilst training or in competition this is a form of courtesy, helping your apponent to brake thier fall.
Many if not all fights go to ground(sometimes very quickly)so I would argue that a good knowledge of ground work would be fundamental.