• You mean like the situation where you hold a rapidly spinning bike wheel by one end of it's horizontal axle, and instead of the axle rotating down so it's vertical,** the axle precesses slowly around yet remains horizontal?**

    thats what I was referring to when I said creep...

    and Yes. the second law of thermodynamics is wrong...you did here it here first, if you did, then I suggest you put down the 'comic' and read something else.

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