General Election 2010

Tories 307 Lab 255 Libs 59 Other 29

If that's right (if) Tories 19 seats short of a majority, Lib Dems 4 seats less than they have now!

I agree that the actual result in the real world is important, but I think you are deliberately or otherwise attacking a straw man. The argument I was making is that, in the context of all of their policies, Labour is less susceptible to religious influence than the Conservative party. Probably.

It's no straw man, my view is that Labour is no more free from religion than the Conservatives. I have stated my reasons and given examples.

Agreed, but you are trying to argue about the comparison between the two parties without actually attempting to quantify the degree to which both are religious / susceptible to religious influence. And, despite being a committed athiest, I'm wary of ascribing all of the blame for the Iraq war to Tony's faith.

There is your straw man - I have not ascribed all of the blame for the Iraq war to Tony's faith.

On the subject of '[not] attempting to quantify the degree to which both are religious / susceptible to religious influence' - I have said already my interest is in actual real world results, rather than a suspected or supposed ideological bent of a certain party.

We can suppose party A is ideologically predisposed to killing kittens, and then watch party B kill more kittens than any government in history - and there will always be people telling us that 'sure party B killed a load of kittens, but it was for very different reasons . . . . '

So . . . . putting my shit analogy aside, my point remains, if we pluck out a nutter from the Tories as an example of latent unhinged religiosity (as a partisan claim), then I would argue that New Labour is equally steeped in this kind of shit.

Authoritarianism != conservatism, however much we may dislike both.

Authoritarianism = statism = New Labour.

I smell a Conservative government.

. . . . . or a Lib/Lab pact.

Conservative + pact with a marginal party I reckon.

Queued for maybe three minutes, did my part for democracy, got a curry*.
Hippy- why on earth did you vote for the "back to the dark ages for you world" party?
*I did not get the curry for voting, my girlfriend bought it

Because their policies came out tops on that "lazy voters click through this shit to get a quick answer" website.

What's wrong with their policies anyway? Cheaper public transport, less bailing out banks bullshit, raise the min wage, etc.

Anyway, I have very little interest in all this. I only looked at the Greens site just now haha

I smell a Conservative government.

So what kind of odeur does that leave behind?

Because their policies came out tops on that "lazy voters click through this shit to get a quick answer" website.

What's wrong with their policies anyway? Cheaper public transport, less bailing out banks bullshit, raise the min wage, etc.

Anyway, I have very little interest in all this. I only looked at the Greens site just now haha

In the nicest possible way- you're a moron.

Anyway, we can discuss this on the ride to Winchester as the rain pours down.

Onto the election- we had a chap wearing a Labour Rosette and a lady wearing a Lib Dem one stopping people on the way in and asking for their voter number, then marking something down on a clipboard- could not be an exit poll, maybe an ingress poll?

Anyway, I ignored them after a second as it felt weird.

Surely exit polls are not terribly accurate anyway?

So what kind of odeur does that leave behind?

Kinda' late 80's with a hint of 'suit'.

Surely exit polls are not terribly accurate anyway?

More accurate than normal (pre-eclecition day) polls.

But can still be off by a fair amount.

Bit like this http://fragancediscount.com/f/372M.jpg

So if there's a well hung parliament, what will come of Lord Adonis?

Bit like this http://fragancediscount.com/f/372M.jpg

No, more like this:

Not sure what they call it but it's some kind of auditing - not party political/polling activity.

Onto the election- we had a chap wearing a Labour Rosette and a lady wearing a Lib Dem one stopping people on the way in and asking for their voter number, then marking something down on a clipboard- could not be an exit poll, maybe an ingress poll?

Anyway, I ignored them after a second as it felt weird.

I'm wearing this..

and voting for the Greens.

I want that on a t-shirt.

I don't get all this tactical stuff. I just did the vote for policies thing and it said greens. I've not been paying near enough attention but wanted to vote here just to see what it's all about. I was less drunk than the last time I voted in Australia so this may have altered my perception. Anyway.. what's done is done.

Fucking hell. What I do like is all the voters getting sand in their knickers about not being able to vote when they rock up at 21:57 because there's a queue. It doesn't come around often, you'd think one could plan ahead a little...

I want that on a t-shirt.

It was a t-shirt, little chance of getting your hands on one now though.

So if there's a well hung parliament, what will come of Lord Adonis?

I like the idea of a "Well hung " parliament..........In fact I dont think you
should be allowed in the House unless your packing @ least 8 inch's ...and
no going up to the box without flopping the fucker out .

It was a t-shirt, little chance of getting your hands on one now though.

how little? was it one of yours?

I smell a Conservative government.

Ready to wake up next to Mr Cameron in the morning then?

The faint whiff of Racist™ on his pajama collar, as he turns and says "Hello tynan.....what do *you *want to do today?"

how little? was it one of yours?

No, do a search at moving target, I forget the details, court case was involved I think . . . .

We're not going to wake up to Mr Cameron. Don't think I'm going out on too much of a limb on that one.

I think it was that Sun front page wot did it.

Ready to wake up next to Mr Cameron in the morning then?

The faint whiff of Racist™ on his pajama collar, as he turns and says "Hello tynan.....what do *you *want to do today?"

Monetarism, dirty fucking monetarism, with no safety net.

paxo doing his rottweiler best on bbc at the moment

Bed time for me, in all seriousness I a) don't know what government I'm going to wake up to and b) not sure I know what sort of government I want it to be.

Night all.

Urgh.
Talking heads. Does anyone care what bruce thinks?