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@Buffalo_Bill
If Joni says that it wasn't working for the 2 new players, you guys have to take that statement at face value.
As I said before, it was a lot easier for us, the older players, because we all pretty much started at the same time, and our level has gone up in sync. So telling people to HTFU isn't really fair, as we have never had to HTFU.
If we don't make room for, and encourage (this means actually letting them have some time on the ball, not just saying 'well done') new players, then we won't get new players and the sport will die.