General Election 2010

That is politics, he's just playing the game, and he played it better than the other two. Vince cable has already trounced both the other chancellors in the chancellor debate.

I understand everyone's cynicism about politicians, it's all media wash and that, a lot of it is, but there's substance there too. They know the electrorate better than you think, a lot of people swallow BS. Thing is, that in the tory case, bullshit is to Cameron what water is to Jellyfish

That is politics, he's just playing the game, and he played it better than the other two. Vince cable has already trounced both the other chancellors in the chancellor debate.

very true, he is playing the game, I don't agree that he played it better than the others though.

Incedentally, did anyone else see the BBC news at 10 last night? that whole thing with the approval worms, what a load of shit. The BBC should be ashamed of themselves. I do try to respect them, but it is just too difficult these days.

I don't understand the perception that all the parties are the same. On certain issues, there tends to be a broad consensus between 2 parties, but the parties themselves are very different.

indeed. I was struck, in a way i hadn't been before, how right wing cameron was. He made some tacky comment about bulgaria having better health care than the uk (shocking! Foreigners have better services!)
When brown started talking you got the sense he would never say anything like that

^exactly.

Cameron knows that throw away comments like that can give the impression of a rebuttal to the uninitiated, i.e. most of the viewers.

Incedentally, did anyone else see the BBC news at 10 last night? that whole thing with the approval worms, what a load of shit. The BBC should be ashamed of themselves. I do try to respect them, but it is just too difficult these days.

Yeah. Talking up immigration gives him instant poll leads according to that horrible worm thing, yet he doesn't even mention tory immigration policy. Both Clegg and Brown talk through the points system, and people switch off.

Did you see the mental in the audience? http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s1nch/BBC_News_at_Ten_15_04_2010/ (Skip to 13.45, you'll see him hahaha, fuking funny)

There are any number of people I would say are solidly middle class who cannot afford to buy anywhere - most recent graduates, for example. The same has to be true of what's left of the old working class, and there are a few aristocrats who got taxed out of their homes and now rent or lease bits of them off the National Trust.

I think you've really "got" Mashton's point here, and it's nice that you've elaborated on it. I'd go even further - it's not just graduates, even solidly middle class six year olds are also often priced out of the housing market, given the crazy disparity between current levels of pocket money and mortgage deposits.

And those aristocrats... it must be horrible to live a hand-to-mouth existence, renting space in a crumbling stately home from Britain's ultimate slum landlord, the so-called National Trust. :(

I think you've really "got" Mashton's point here, and it's nice that you've elaborated on it. I'd go even further - it's not just graduates, even solidly middle class six year olds are also often priced out of the housing market, given the crazy disparity between current levels of pocket money and mortgage deposits.

And those aristocrats... it must be horrible to live a hand-to-mouth existence, renting space in a crumbling stately home from Britain's ultimate slum landlord, the so-called National Trust. :(

Ha! and rep.

Ha! and rep.

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Did you see the mental in the audience?

Genius! What the fuck? He looks like a confused killer.

Are the local councillors allowed to see who you're voting for?
I just told a Tory that I would never vote Tory to his face- he looked like he was about to cry/ shout at me.

I had one at my door too, about the same time. That's very syncronised of them.

You can say what you want about the Tories, but they're very organised.

Of course you can say the same thing about the Nazis

Job Done

My local Tory MP sent round a leaflet letting us all know he didn't claim a second home's allowance, in a kinda VERY smug way.... he is, of course, the MP for... the City of Westminster... I should frigging hope he didn't claim for a second home!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?aid=19061&id=117203521630597 Nice little collection of electoral material here

/\/\ Bagheera I'm in the same ward as you, safe Tory seat.
Our MP looks very much like Alan B'stard...

Smugness personified....

http://www.votemarkfield.com/home

If you don't want him - 'tis tough to know who to vote for as Libs/Lab sorta equal-ish second... though the drummer from Blur is ahead on street cred.

I think you've really "got" Mashton's point here, and it's nice that you've elaborated on it. I'd go even further - it's not just graduates, even solidly middle class six year olds are also often priced out of the housing market, given the crazy disparity between current levels of pocket money and mortgage deposits.

And those aristocrats... it must be horrible to live a hand-to-mouth existence, renting space in a crumbling stately home from Britain's ultimate slum landlord, the so-called National Trust. :(

recognising-a-joking-illustration-that-class-politics-is-ridiculous-and-obsolete fail.

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Smugness personified....

http://www.votemarkfield.com/home

What a hateful little face that rich man has.

Here's some more....

http://www.votemarkfield.com/gallery-3

And I'd bet he'd be the first to want to keep his family out of the public eye if it all went Tits-Up!

i'll be voting labour without a shadow of a doubt. i live in a marginal lab/lib constituency and have been volunteering for my local labour party this time round. probably a lost cause now but hey, despite all the terrible things that have been done under the current administration (and there have been a lot, many of which i protested loudly about) i just cannot abide the thought of a tory government and i just have no faith that the lib dems have a frikken clue what they're on about. have you heard their tax policies? they're actually insane.

i can't believe (actually i can believe) how easily swayed the opinion polls were by clegg's hollow blair-ish, "hey guys" performance.

minor rant now. sorry in advance: god almighty, i was in a black cab last night and driver had some awfull "speak yr branes" talk radio show on. the topic was "are you going to vote and if so have you changed your mind as to how?" the first guy who rang in basically called yp to say "i'm not going to vote because i don't know what they're on about most of the time and nothing they say ever seems to affect me... i mean you never hear anyone say "i'm going to cut taxes 20% or cut the price of petrol by half or double the police by 50%". And it went on from there the entire cab ride. four or five callers with the same basic, confused, narrow minded, selfish apathy... really quite depressing. Can't be arsed to pay even the scantest bit of attention to the running of the country you live in to the extent that you don't even bother to register or even learn the name of the leaders of the three main parties... and yet you CAN be arsed to ring up talk radio and dribble on for 15 minutes about how you can't be arsed? wtf? Thoroughly depressing.

i'll be voting labour without a shadow of a doubt. i live in a marginal lab/lib constituency and have been volunteering for my local labour party this time round. probably a lost cause now but hey, despite all the terrible things that have been done under the current administration (and there have been a lot, many of which i protested loudly about) i just cannot abide the thought of a tory government and i just have no faith that the lib dems have a frikken clue what they're on about. have you heard their tax policies? they're actually insane.

i can't believe (actually i can believe) how easily swayed the opinion polls were by clegg's hollow blair-ish, "hey guys" performance.

minor rant now. sorry in advance: god almighty, i was in a black cab last night and driver had some awfull "speak yr branes" talk radio show on. the topic was "are you going to vote and if so have you changed your mind as to how?" the first guy who rang in basically called yp to say "i'm not going to vote because i don't know what they're on about most of the time and nothing they say ever seems to affect me... i mean you never hear anyone say "i'm going to cut taxes 20% or cut the price of petrol by half or double the police by 50%". And it went on from there the entire cab ride. four or five callers with the same basic, confused, narrow minded, selfish apathy... really quite depressing. Can't be arsed to pay even the scantest bit of attention to the running of the country you live in to the extent that you don't even bother to register or even learn the name of the leaders of the three main parties... and yet you CAN be arsed to ring up talk radio and dribble on for 15 minutes about how you can't be arsed? wtf? Thoroughly depressing.

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I'm always going to vote labour. Fucked of with the in-laws family at the mo talking about lib dems or ukip. My god.

The only time I ever didn't properly vote labour (i.e. 1st the mayoral election 1st and 2nd choice) I really, really regretted it. Boris got in.

Everybody please remember what the 'TORY' means ... it's derived from an old Irish word meaning thief. They are scum, always will be.

Yes tories eat babies. Fact

My girlfriend is a socialist at heart, labour party member, has a masters in politics, worked in parliament for a labour mp for several years and is now a european policy bod. She got doorstepped by lib dem canvasser last night who spend 5 minutes trying to convince her that cleggy had it asewn up and that vince cable was the only real socialist on the front benches. He left in a hurry saying "i'm going to leave before i say something i regret". Hehe. My ,missus can be fierce... especially when being patronised my a prick on her specialist chosen subject.

i just have no faith that the lib dems have a frikken clue what they're on about. have you heard their tax policies? they're actually insane.

What aspect is insane. Do you think they don't add up or that you disagree with the principle? Not having a go, just interested.

Insane is a a bit hyperbolic to be fair. I'm going to have to go and dig out specifics now because I can't remember all the details from the last time I listened slack-jawed at the LD's list of proposed tax policies. The bottom line though was that I couldn't see most of them getting though and I felt that a lot of them were just unrealistic/unworkable...