Android phones, apps and tablets

The Desire wasn't originally shipping with 2.1 but it is now. Does the Desire do MultiTouch? Price outright? How hard is it to disable SenseUI and how quick will HTC update Android versions?

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3077&idPhone2=3069

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=636717&page=8

If this is available in a shop, like kapow, I might just grab it. Any firm release date?

Thought the Desire was out already? Believed I saw it in Carphonewarehouse (could have been just the display dummy though),
but Expansys is quoting April 6th as release date, and they're normally spot-on.

I have seen April 1st on Vodafone, reports were Both were set for the first and N1 was put back. It supports multi touch in the demo I watched. There was a pinch zoom for the screen zoom and multi home screen, gives you a spider effect of your 7 home screens. I had not seen the gsmarena comparison, I read that the extra RAM makes a difference with multi tasking but it seems little difference.

Also the Desire will come with an 8G micro SD card as opposed to the 4G with the N1

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-desire-vs-google-nexus-one-2074966/

Pre-Order: http://www.mobiles.co.uk/vodafone-htc-desire.html
But I want a SIM-free phone. That other comparison says the Desire doesn't come with any SD card.

In the first 74 days of sales:

The original Apple iPhone sold 1 million units.
The Motorola Milestone sold 1.05 million units.
And the Google Nexus One sold 135,000 units.

Source ITProPortal (from Flurry Inc).

I busted my headphones that came with my hero and need a new set as I find these really useful for the purpose of skipping songs when on shuffle.
Anyone know of replacement ones? I've come across alot designed for iphone but nothing that says them are compatible with htc that aren't horrible old style ear pads.

In the first 74 days of sales:

The original Apple iPhone sold 1 million units.
The Motorola Milestone sold 1.05 million units.
And the Google Nexus One sold 135,000 units.

Source ITProPortal (from Flurry Inc).

iPhone is free with networks, I know nothing of Motorola, but I bet that was free. N1 you have to buy from Google then connect it to a network. IO am sure if it was free it would have moved.

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/is-htc-s-desire-more-wanted-than-the-iphone--671519

The iPhone was only available at full retail price to begin with. It made Apple a lot of money.

I could write chapter and verse on how you make money in the handset market, but I doubt Google have made any money, or expected to with the Nexus One. What they have done is shown that they are happy to eat everyone elses lunch, so we'll see where that leads them.

The iPhone was the first mas-marketed smartphone, before that everone was told smartphones were for busineses.
I bet they make money out of this iPad thingy too though. Pointless device that Appleheads will blindly buy because it has a picture of an Apple on it. I still can't think of a situation where it beats a laptop or a smartphone. Mind you, I thought the iPod touch was a waste of time too.

I think Google are on the edge of taking over the world. Competitive in the phone market with Android, a browser that is gaining more and more fans and a new, lightweight OS being released this year. Who knows

I take issue with your first sentence I'm afraid. Nokia had any number of smartphones that have sold as well as, if not better than, the iPhone. Mass market in the mobile phone industry means selling 30 or 40 million of the same model. Apple haven't sold anywhere near that with the iPhone, in all it's guises.

I agree on the iPad. Utterly pointless.

Google are interesting, they run a very real risk of getting embroiled with anti-competition authorities and that always ends in tears, just ask Microsoft. They need to focus on what they want to do and drop some of the extraneous activities.

Fair enough, but the iPhone was the first phone where, I certainly felt technophobes could suddenly do smartphone things, email photos, web stuff, generaly use it more than just a phone/camera. I know 3 people (admitidly people who do not own computers) who went from old Nokia phones straight to the iPhone. One claimed "It's awesome for porn"

Either way, I get the impression Android will blow them all out of the water over the coming years and will be on board on April 1st (if that is when the Desire comes out)

Whilst waiting for this N1......does anyone know how to unlock a Blackberry Storm for free? I have the IMEI number...

...I think Google are on the edge of taking over the world. Competitive in the phone market with Android, a browser that is gaining more and more fans and a new, lightweight OS being released this year. Who knows

I think many people have noticed this, and its certainly causing alot of concern. In fact, my guess is that Samsung only created their own mobile OS (BADA), to warn off Google from Microsoft-like behaviour. So that if Google did begin to charge for Android, Samsung could offer a viable and immediate alternative. I'm also sensing that Symbian got a hurry-up due to Android's incrasing market share and possible future dominance.

Canalys predict that Android will have about 10-12% market share of the smartphone market by 2013 (with Symbian having 42%, RIM 16%, Apple 18% and Microsoft about 10%).

Which ever way you look at it, only one of those platforms could be considered anything close to dominant.

Best to split Symbian up now then before it really abuses it's position eh?

Lies, lies, and damn statistics.

Isn't the Symbian share of the "Smartphone" category, based on lower-end phones? I think of the high-spec, high-end smartphones, its Windows, then Apple, Blackberry, then Android at the top. Just guessing like. And of the ultra-high-spec, its Windows, then Android.

In the first 74 days of sales:
The original Apple iPhone sold 1 million units.
The Motorola Milestone sold 1.05 million units.
And the Google Nexus One sold 135,000 units.
Source ITProPortal (from Flurry Inc).

The N1 is only available online, direct from Google in a very limited number of countries.
Have Google done any marketing for it? I know Apple advertise iPhone on tv quite a lot.
McDonalds is a massively popular restaurant, but it's total shit.

Google are interesting, they run a very real risk of getting embroiled with anti-competition authorities and that always ends in tears, just ask Microsoft. They need to focus on what they want to do and drop some of the extraneous activities.

How much harm did the anti-competition lawsuits do to MS?

Which ever way you look at it, only one of those platforms could be considered anything close to dominant.

Symbian fanboy! :P

Desire or Hero2 that is the question?

Best to split Symbian up now then before it really abuses it's position eh?

How can a free, open source platform abuse it's position? Genuine question.

Lies, lies, and damn statistics.

Isn't the Symbian share of the "Smartphone" category, based on lower-end phones? I think of the high-spec, high-end smartphones, its Windows, then Apple, Blackberry, then Android at the top. Just guessing like. And of the ultra-high-spec, its Windows, then Android.

It depends what criteria you use for a smartphone. Historically it's been an open device that has an SDK in a native language, i.e. C or C++. That's the criteria Canalys use in the figures I quoted above. The Symbian platform has been leading the open OS market for the past 10 years. Blackberry is next, then Windows, then Apple and finally Linux in all it's flavours including Android.

The recent discovery of smartphones by the US tech press has seen them clamouring to change the definition so that Apple and Android can be seen as market leaders. They're not by any stretch of the imagination. For example, did you know that the iPhone accounts for just 6% of mobile phone sales in the US? Given the hype you'd never think that was the case.

The Symbian platform is scalable, meaning it can run in high end devices like the N95, the N97, the Samsung i8910 and the Sony Ericsson Satio. It can also run in mid tier devices like the Nokia 5800 and 5230. It has a flexibility that none of the others have, mainly because it's been architected from the beginning to be optimised for mobile devices (rather than being a desktop or server OS shrunk to work on a lower power processor). This is why it is the market leader because it is available at a lower price point than any of the others thus opening up new markets for smartphones, i.e. India, China and much of south east Asia.

The Symbian platform is scalable, meaning it can run in high end devices like the N95, the N97, the Samsung i8910 and the Sony Ericsson Satio. It can also run in mid tier devices like the Nokia 5800 and 5230. It has a flexibility that none of the others have, mainly because it's been architected from the beginning to be optimised for mobile devices (rather than being a desktop or server OS shrunk to work on a lower power processor). This is why it is the market leader because it is available at a lower price point than any of the others thus opening up new markets for smartphones, i.e. India, China and much of south east Asia.

It's not the market leader because it's been around for far longer, no, that wouldn't be it.

Windows isn't the most efficient or stable OS, nor is it the cheapest.. but it still dominates.

Why would age have anything to do with market leadership? Surely the OS that sells most in the last year is the market leader?

You have a little think about why age of vendor might be related to sales and get back to us.