The Vegan Thread

Our Government should stop trying to "protect" people who don't need it. It's a fucking farce, a waste of resource and frankly embarrassing as there are so many more important things to be dealt with.

Again, well said, everything, absolutely everything is becoming a fucking 'human right' - while at the same time going on a protest might see you get your head kicked in by the police, kettled, detained, arrested and generally intimidated.

While street photography is rapidly becoming a crime some civil servant is busying himself trying to protect my right to not believe in something.

Fucking nonsense.

C'mon, let's do some killin'

C'mon, let's do some killin'

Have you been on the H+S course for that and maybe the Risk Assessment course?

I don't understand the anger here. The Equality Bill just sets out the terms on which people are to be treated equally despite differences (e.g. gender, disability, personal beliefs).

The prison food example is a particularly good one. Do those who think this is a nonsensical step really believe that a vegan prisoner should be forced to eat animal products or starve?

I am baffled at the anger here.

You'd need protection if someone decided to discriminate you against you on the basis of being an atheist.

Don't be ridiculous, do you have any evidence that this is an issue, an issue important enough for legislation, important enough for the state to get involved ?

You'd need protection if you were sacked for refusing to go to a steakhouse for a client dinner because it was inconsistent with your beliefs.

Same question as above.

I don't get why this is controversial. The protections aren't radical. It's juts about saying that people's freedom of thought and the right to determine the ethical basis on which they live their lives is not something that should itself form a basis for discriminating against them.

It's doesn't happen, honesty, it doesn't - and I say that as a loud mouthed anti-theist vegetarian pain in the arse.

I am baffled at the anger here.

Shut up you communist bastard.

Shut your mouth before I imprison you for being a veggie atheist.

You're such an anarchist slut (I can still say that right?)

I don't understand the anger here. The Equality Bill just sets out the terms on which people are to be treated equally despite differences (e.g. gender, disability, personal beliefs).

The prison food example is a particularly good one. Do those who think this is a nonsensical step really believe that a vegan prisoner should be forced to eat animal products or starve?

I am baffled at the anger here.

I want to be treated like human trafficked gender bending transvestite single mother with 8 children who happens to be a lesbian with one leg and half blind catholic muslim mix and have the same care and attention benefits housing help and anything else made available to me.

In case Jesus comes back and tries to fuck you up the arse with his big cross.

fixed

In case Jesus comes back and tries to fuck you up the buns with his big hot cross.

fixed for easter

I think people are missing the point. The Equality Bill is not some major piece of legislation targeted at introducing privileges for vegans and atheists.

It covers a wide range of personal characteristics, including personally held moral and ethical beliefs, and states that these should not (with exceptions) form the basis of discrimination, nor should they affect a person's ability to access services.

Are people who don't like this against the idea of equality generally (i.e. do they think having legislation to protect people against discrimination on such bases is a waste of time and that people should be able to discriminate against who they want on whatever basis they want)?

Or do they think that including secular ethical beliefs such as veganism or atheism should not have been included because only religious convictions are worthy of such protection?

You're such an anarchist slut (I can still say that right?)

You have been reported to the council for hate speech.

Are people who don't like this against the idea of equality generally

Of course not.

Or do they think that including secular ethical beliefs such as veganism or atheism should not have been included because only religious convictions are worthy of such protection?

No one is forcing anyone to eat meat (the prisoner example excepted/accepted).

Yes, only religious convictions are worthy of such protection, it's a practicable matter, there is (and always has been) religious discrimination. But I don't need my theological non-conitivism protected in law, that would be ridiculous, nor do I need my belief that there are no such things as giant orange ponies living under Paris protected in law.

can vegans eat honey?

can vegans eat honey?

http://www.vegansociety.com/uploadedFiles/References_and_Resources/Downloads/Honey.pdf

maple syrup is better anyways

I don't think religious convictions are worthy of any protection at all.
Dietary ones certainly aren't.

But the idea that maple syrup is better than honey shocks me and I wish those who pronounce such heresy to be prosecuted with the full force of the law.

Wouldn't normally post something like this, but I'd probably turn vegan for that girl holding the lettuce.

Yes, only religious convictions are worthy of such protection, it's a practicable matter, there is (and always has been) religious discrimination. But I don't need my theological non-conitivism protected in law, that would be ridiculous, nor do I need my belief that there are no such things as giant orange ponies living under Paris protected in law.

I don't think you understand the law. It doesn't seek to specifically do anything special for vegans or for people who believe in giant orange ponies. It is set out in broad terms. And it kicks in only once a problem arises (e.g., once someone is discriminated against or unable to access a particular service on the basis of their beliefs or personal characteristics).

Accordingly, if there is no problem, there is no protection.

Does that satisfy you?

I get the impression you think there are some kind of subsidies or rewards going around for vegans under the Bill. Have you had a look at it?

Shut up you communist bastard.

For what (very little) it's worth, I'm not a communist, or even a vegan. I just like the idea of protecting people's negative liberty against stupid employers, state organs, etc.

+shakes head in disbelief+

I get the impression you think there are some kind of subsidies or rewards going around for vegans under the Bill.

Yes, that is what I think.

I don't get what the noise is about, I'll put good honey beer and steak money down that some righteous vegan winged and lobbied Harriet Harman until a change was made

the type of people who would take advantage or use these laws for their gain (whatever side of the fence they sit) are weapons with too much time on their hands and not enough social interaction with the world around them

Yes, that is what I think.

Lentil Tax... you just fucking mark my words

I just like the idea of protecting people's negative liberty against stupid employers, state organs, etc.

There is no need, it's not a problem, being vegan or not believing in magic dwarves is not problematic in any way.

If your employers insist on giving you meat pie - in the now commonplace state driven employee feeding directive (!) - and you do not want to eat meat, pick out the meat and eat the shell.

We can, of course, fight for the right to have our non-belief in Zeus protected, but of little (if any) practical use as well as a convenient smoke screen for the state's dismantling of our real rights.