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@Wingedangel
I'm probably missing what you have said right, but that is an explorer (simple clean refined) the datejust (can be nice as in the top one) or is the one with the day, date, diamonds, whistles, bells, ...they can be as ugly as sin with a really over the top body and face...
and 'traditionally' that was the one they all used as a base for the fakes,..
