"Bicycles will be removed" - legal?

Very very very probably a repost, but I had to re-post it (if a repost though)... Saw this yesterday outside the National Portrait Gallery...

So beware hipsters!! If you ride an old 3 speed S&A it's fine I guess...

Loic

What we need is more of those clever bike stands that clamp round street furniture retrospectively. I wish I had invented them.
these:

I briefly met the guy who invented these during last summer in Herne Hill, as he was training at one of the monday night sessions, very nice and friendly guy, I don't remember if he's on the forum or not, I think I'm correct to say he joined one of the bridges rides last august.

http://www.cyclehoop.com/

I'll email him if he has not seen that thread, maybe he could contribute here... He he has already and I have not recognized the forum name, apologies!

Szia

Loic

It's Anthony Lau, and I'm pretty sure he's not on here.

Perhaps the way to deal with this is like the "right to roam" legislation. Lobby MPs to make law so that any railings fronting on a public space, with no danger of obstruction, are deemed by law to be bike parking. The MPs get green brownie (greenie?) points at no cost to the govenment - they like that.

I like this idea, how do we go about it.

You don't.

The problem with railings and locking up to them is the fact that more often than not, they represent the legal boundary of a building or site and are part of it. They are private property giving the owners the right to display such signs and police accordingly :(

Think yourselves lucky they haven't started charging for bike parking yet.

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seem like a great idea, shame i've never seen any.

and fuckfixies, it is obvious you did not invent these things, please shut up.

same as:

''If you put money in this jar, it will be removed and spent.''

By reading the sign and leaving your bike there, you are giving your consent.

yeah, or a letter to Boris? the problem is, if its their land then they can basically do what they like, (excuse my rudimentary legalease), or at any rate, if they fuck with your bike th onus is on you to pursue a case, and thats expensive and scary. Which is why I'd suggest gurrila tactics every time. I'd be suprised if there was literally no public pavement on the north side of tooley street next to more london however. Perhpas town planners/architects can advise us?

You can find out the limits of HMPE (highway maintainable at the public expense) from the council. They will charge for copies of the data as most is based on Ordnance Survey mapping that is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act, but you should be able to view the data (in the form of a map) at local council offices for free without making copies. In my experience (working for the highways info part of a council) if you can get another council employee to ask on your behalf (from a different section) you can usually get the data for free, or try to go through the councils cycling officer. If you pay the fee (usually about £39) they can supply a plan for a small area (3 or 4 streets, 1:1250 on an A4 sheet) which will show the exact boundaries of the public highway. They won't hold data on private land though, just land owned (or maintained) by the council.

fuckfixies, it is obvious you did not invent these things, please shut up.

Don't feed the trolls, just report them... otherwise you end up looking silly when they are banned and their posts are deleted.

I missed some trolling??

damn. laptop at the dinner table might have been a bit rude

seem like a great idea, shame i've never seen any.

and fuckfixies, it is obvious you did not invent these things, please shut up.

bar and stem fail

I missed some trolling??

damn. laptop at the dinner table might have been a bit rude

Would have been a bit like trolling the dinner table. :)

In my experience (working for the highways info part of a council) if you can get another council employee to ask on your behalf (from a different section) you can usually get the data for free, or try to go through the councils cycling officer. If you pay the fee (usually about £39) they can supply a plan for a small area (3 or 4 streets, 1:1250 on an A4 sheet) which will show the exact boundaries of the public highway. They won't hold data on private land though, just land owned (or maintained) by the council.

Can you be my council employee? :)

not since september, sorry.

I think London may be in need of some of these...
YouTube - Japan Bike Storage

Awsome!!! What's the price tag? ;)

@carson: Thanks very much for a considered opinion. It's somewhat unsatisfactory that this exists in a grey area. I'd love to see someone point out that bike parking in such circumstances is clearly wrong or right, either way.

Lobbying MPs, councils etc to get the rules clarified sounds like a great idea now they're more interested in supporting cyclists.

Afternoon! Maybe it would be good to start collecting data = case studies of fellow victims of fines, removals etc.
It would give us idea on numbers of cases, frequency of problems and maybe even a "chart" of the properties that cause us distress.

What do you think folks?

You're wasting your time.

Efforts such as this may be better channeled in the action groups for cyclist safety on the roads, such as this one.