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@kingcutter
At last I have found a large chrome frame thing is I have no idea what make it is or what tubing it is,it looks like it may be 531 as the lugs are quite sharp and the lugs round the headtube are quite nice with a half heart cutout,also there are no bottle holes and no gear hanger and it has not been sawn off,also it has the stopper for band on downtube shifters the chrome is mint with no pitting so must be half decent tubing.
any one that could shed some light would be great.