South London Beers: Reboot - Last Thursday of the Month at The Prince Regent, Herne Hill, SE24

Balki-

Nope, anything obtained from or by an animal is considered to be abusive of the animal.

Not accurate. For instance, human breast milk for babies is obviously fine. Also, veganism is actually not in the first instance about wishing to avoid suffering of animals. That's obviously an important aspect, but as the Vegan Society says, it's for the benefit of people, animals, and the environment. A very comprehensive vision, but one that among other things relies on the clear conviction that animal products aren't actually very beneficial to people, both for ethical and nutritional reasons, which is the primary consideration. For some people, animal suffering is the most important factor, but not for me, for instance.

How this works with eating crops planted in furrow tilled by an ox drawn plow I do not know- I presume that is verboten also.

Another extreme consideration--there could well be circumstances where that method of farming would be sensible to adopt. In much of the world, we have machinery to do the job, of course, but more mechanisation also leads to more and more intensive farming. For me, the main issue is actually why the ox is an ox in the first place.

Ideally, we'd avoid making animals work for us, but, quite frankly, while billions of animals die every year, e.g. billions of newly-hatched male chicks are gassed or decapitated on their first day of life because they don't lay eggs, to me that's a very minor consideration that I don't spend a lot of time worrying about.