Official Nicky G on QT thread...

I for one was disgusted a the spectacle the anti fascist protestors made of themselves outside the Beeb. I'm for freedom of speech. I'm glad my kids didn't see the ugly scenes - I felt very intimidated.

Terrible. Somebody could have been seriously hurt.

http://tinyurl.com/yzy4j67

IMHO the rest of the panel came out of that very well. I've got a lot of time for Jack Straw, I might not agreee with every policy he backs, but he seems much less of a twat than many in the house of commons. He was getting choked up last night at some points, almost losing it, because he was so furious with griffin.
I don't see the BBC at fault here, the bnp has been allowed to stand in elections, and has won seats. Instead of putting the spotlight on griffin, we should be looking at the people who think he's worth voting for. If he stops getting votes he will fade away from public view, and probably carry on underground, but will get much less support and be able to influence much fewer people.
To me at least, he came accross as a petty, slimy little man, bent with hatred and overcome with ignorance. The other four members fo the panel had intelligence and intellects that they could use to back up their points, and whether you agreed with them or not they could speak like rational adults. griffin sounded like a little kid accused of nicking biscuits and then adamantly denying it. He is a fucking joke, I couldn't summon up an ounce of respect for him.

the two women on the panel were great.
straw and the other puppet just used it as a soapbox, to win applause (imo)

anger seemed to rule last night
people weren't getting their points across as well as they should have because they were seething with rage underneath ... too much shouting and loosing of cool !

the two women on the panel were great.
straw and the other puppet just used it as a soapbox, to win applause (imo)

Agreed. Bonnie for the win!

I thought Baroness Varsi was good, possibly the best panellist, until Dimbelby uncovered her own blatant homophobia which wasn't too far off the BNP's own position. I was a bit shocked frankly at her hasty wriggling on that one.

Straw started off well - really liked his opening gambit - but then came totally unstuck on immigration. He could and should have done better with that. It was pretty awesome though when he was all like "I am the JUSTICE MINISTER. You CAN answer that question." Made mw think how fucking cool it would be to be the justice minister. You could win any argument.

I liked the way Greer dealt with Griffin - with humour and humanity. It showed Griffin up nicely. She made good points about indigenousness and caught the KKK stuff too.

Huhne was bit of an also-ran but did okay. The lowpoint of it for me was when all the mainstream politicians started squabbling over their respective immigration policies. SURELY for ONCE you can put aside the partisanship and face a common enemy? No?

Griffin looked like, exactly what he is, a duplicitous shape shifting conniving twat.
unfortunately, nobody really addressed the elephant in the room. why his party has 1 million votes and 2 MEP positions.
this was addressed by alan davies in the following program.

unfortunately, for some reason, there are people who feel challenged and under threat and ignored by the mainstream political parties. unfortunately they use language like "it's no longer a white man's country". unfortunately they vote for parties that appeal to this side of them. unfortunately they vote for parties that don't allow people to express their love regardless of gender.

i didn't see anybody offering any answers to these people.

I thought Jack Straw was useless.

Nick Griffin was just pathetic; evading simple questions and attacking other people with obviously pre-prepared (and pointless) attacks on the other people on the panel. The part about Jack Straws dad (or uncle?) being in prison in during the second world war was embarrassing.

I thought Baroness Varsi was good, possibly the best panellist, until Dimbelby uncovered her own blatant homophobia which wasn't too far off the BNP's own position. I was a bit shocked frankly at her hasty wriggling on that one.

i agree with this point.

i thought straw seemed to come and put the boot in, after the other other panellists (?) ha got their points across, in a jeremy kyle way, on several occasions.

i quite liked jack getting the boot in. (did you see what i did there?)

seriously. forgot about the wriggling off the hook on homophobia....

does this mean that maybe we'll see an extended discussion type thing? hosting this in different parts of london/england where the BNP are represented at higher levels than west london might go someway in dealing with this.

i had forgotten that too.

i have always thought straw was a puppet, so i was biased from the start. i don't think that man has it in him to look someone in the eye. he stared into space every answer, even if it was dimbleby that asked him, he would look at him.

The varsi homophobic thing raises a tricky issue.

The conservative core of the muslim community's views on homosexuality aren't the most tolerant. Varsi had to be careful not to piss off her base.

...thugh that's not to say that conservative christians are gay-friendly either. Was just disappointed with varsi is all.

I think Jack Straw couldn't look at Griffin because he was so angry about the Holocaust denial statements, and the unbelievable stuff Griffin came out with about changing his mind about the Holocaust because of some radio transcripts. Yeah, he could have performed better on the immigration issue, but I think it must be difficult to elucidate subtle policy, with your blood boiling.

it wasn't just griffin

BNP TO OFFER FREE DIDGERIDOO LESSONS

THE British National Party last night outlined plans for free didgeridoo lessons for Britain's aboriginal population.

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Not bad for a 17,000 year-old

Party leader Nick Griffin told a Question Time audience that anyone who had lived in Britain for at least 17,000 years would be given vouchers for a 10 week course on how to master the six foot long wooden trumpet.

He said: "To all those who have lived here for less than 17,000 years I would suggest that you go back to your own country and learn to play the Alphorn, the bagpipes or whatever second rate wind instrument is currently flavour of the month with your inferior, coffee-coloured society."

In a performance hailed by critics as a 'tour de force of lunacy', Mr Griffin described Islam as a 'wicked, vicious faith that persecutes women and didgeridoo players' and insisted that Sir Winston Churchill would have joined the BNP if he had been a Nazi.

He also claimed the Ku Klux Klan was 'almost totally non violent' insisting the thousands of lynchings it carried out across the southern United States were tragic accidents and practical jokes that went wrong at the last minute.

But the BNP leader did finally admit that some Jewish people may not have survived the Second World War and called for a public inquiry to find what happened to them.

As maniacs and the Guardian united to demand the BNP be taken seriously, Welsh secretary Peter Hain said Mr Griffin's apperance was the difference between no-one being a racist lunatic and everyone being a racist lunatic. However early polling results indicate that the number of racist lunatics has remained exactly the same.

Meanwhile leading commentators at the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail insisted the only way to defeat the BNP was to crackdown on immigration in accordance with its key manifesto pledges.
Roy Hobbs, an aborigine from Peterborough, added: "I don't necessarily agree with everything Mr Griffin says, but learning how to play *Jerusalem *on the didgeridoo is a white man's birthright."

jack straw couldn't look griffin in the eye.

fair point, i wouldn't know which one to look at either.

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wahey!

the Cod eyed one attempts to bite back

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8322322.stm

"He also claimed the audience was not representative of the UK as a whole as levels of immigration in London meant it was "no longer a British city"."

errr...tilt.

If London is no longer a British City does that mean that I don't have to pay tax to the British government anymore?

rarely is 'WAC' more appropriate.

when the BNP are forced to accept non white members I really hope that thousands of non white people join up and turn up to every meeting. I'd like to see them pass any motions then.

the Cod eyed one attempts to bite back

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8322322.stm

"He also claimed the audience was not representative of the UK as a whole as levels of immigration in London meant it was "no longer a British city"."

errr...tilt.

Lol, i'll take on jack straw one on one.

I think this little hitler has taken up far too much airtime, fair enough he has had his time on QT and his free publicity, but lets be honest he's a mino and isn't relevant enough to be on the news every morning while i'm eating my Reich Crispies.

I also think this would have worked better had QT been in Leeds for example.

Typical of Griffin to says that, people vote for the BNP because they're always blaming other, rather than creating solution.

it's very easy to blame other than to create solution, that's alone why the BNP got some votes.

rarely is 'WAC' more appropriate.

when the BNP are forced to accept non white members I really hope that thousands of non white people join up and turn up to every meeting. I'd like to see them pass any motions then.

Bonnie 'gotta love her' Greer said something similar last night, about letting non whites in and that she thought Griffin would be scared (and that he should be)