Cops trully suck sometimes!

The police pulled us over on a Sunday because we were riding next to each other in a bus lane and apparently a "cab had to pull out to overtake" us. Poor drivers getting inconvenienced by cyclists!

It only came to me afterwards but I should have said something like "Thanks for that pep talk. Next time you see a driver going into the Advanced Stop Line for cyclist can you do the same thing, please?"

The reason they are pulling over cyclists is because they can do it without stopping the traffic.

all this "fck the police" attitude can only lead to this...Law and Disorder in Philly. sounds like chris crash' dreamland

if the police abuse their power and do what ever the fuck they want including being cunts to people like us then fuck em. if they were righteous and not cunts to people like us then maybe there wouln't be a reason to say it.

the last time i was pulled over the cops tried making a wise crack about my name, when i called him on it he immediately shut up because he knew he'd get in shit if i made a formal complaint. police just act like adult schoolyard bullies most of the time

Yes but I'm sure crime in Eastern Europe in the 80's amounted to more than going the wrong way down a one way alley. The fact is the Police are here to protect our freedom not impinge on it because they are bored, stupid or lacking in knowledge of real laws.

As for the little twat community support guy in the original video posted here I sincerely hope he was booted out of the force. Respect goes two ways. If he had said "please stop filming me because as an individual it bothers me".... follow my drift?

I understand that some people have issues with the Police in the UK.
However, I spent some time in East Europe and the CCCP back in the 80's and to be honest in comparisson the old bill here are a bunch of girl guides.
I'll put up with the ocasional cnut as the remaining 99% you really don't know they are there.

Which is as it should be.

Toodle pip

The police pulled us over on a Sunday because we were riding next to each other in a bus lane and apparently a "cab had to pull out to overtake" us. Poor drivers getting inconvenienced by cyclists!

It only came to me afterwards but I should have said something like "Thanks for that pep talk. Next time you see a driver going into the Advanced Stop Line for cyclist can you do the same thing, please?"

The reason they are pulling over cyclists is because they can do it without stopping the traffic.

ha police dont give a shit about traffic i was stop searched and they parked their car in the middle of a one lane street and made about 5 cars wait behind them, just to be cunts. they dont give a shit what they do because they know we can do nothing back to them

Valid point, it was more like a war zone then a civilized society. Still its amazing what you can achieve by waving an AK47 under an obstructive nose.

In essence I agree, the Police are here to protect us and our hard won freedom.
And I will agree that sometimes its hard to see how their actions can be justified.
But when the shit hits the fan we still dial 999 and they still turn up.

Toodle pip

Sniffer Dogs. There was a whole squad of cops and dogs in Ealing Broadway tube tonight.
I find their use to be a total invasion of privacy.. what say you forum massive?

http://www.release.org.uk/campaigns/current-campaigns/sniffer-dogs
http://www.release.org.uk/cart/preview/Sniffer%20Dogs.pdf

Release the Hounds?

I heard on the radio this morning that another group has been spraying dilluted bong water on public transport vehicles to confuse the sniffer dogs! Apparently the same thing was done in London a few years back when people got fed up with dogs everywhere and two weeks later the sniffer action was withdrawn. I agree that dogs can be used fairly in airports and customs to help prevent large amounts getting on the streets but when the police target places like public transport they involve the... More

http://www.residentadvisor.net/news.aspx?id=1564

Sniffer dog campaign reaches the High Court
Friday, 07 August 2009
Release is taking legal action against the British Transport Police (BTP) for breach of human rights, unlawful search and trespass to the person, regarding the use of sniffer dogs to detect drugs.

Release Executive Director, Sebastian Saville was stopped and searched by the BTP at Camden Town underground station in June 2008 following a positive indication by a sniffer dog. Mr Saville had no illegal drugs in his possession. All information gathered by Release shows that sniffer dogs are wrong approximately 75% of the time. Despite this startling level of inaccuracy, a positive indication by a sniffer dog currently gives the police reasonable grounds to proceed with a personal search.

The action, which is being taken on pro bono by 1 Pump Court barristers, is to challenge the continued erosion of civil liberties, as law abiding members of the public are prevented from going about their daily business as a result of an indication by a dog.

The Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 states that police may not stop and search an individual on grounds of reasonable suspicion based on personal factors alone unless there is a reliable supporting source of intelligence or information, or some specific behaviour by the person. Since Sebastian’s behaviour was in no way suspicious, and dogs themselves are not reliable indicators, it is claimed that he was therefore unlawfully detained and searched. Release argues that these actions constituted a breach of Sebastian’s fundamental human rights to freedom of movement and respect for private life, as well as constituting a trespass to his person.

The case is expected to reach the High Court later this year. If Sebastian and Release are successful in their claim, the police will be forced to desist from using sniffer dogs for the detection of drugs. Follow how the press are covering the story here and here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8182594.stm
http://www.thecnj.co.uk/camden/2009/080609/news080609_02.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/jun/13/drugsandalcohol.politics

The dogs are pretty reliable, cost a fortune to train. Still i sort of agree with you, still get a bit nervous and it's been years for me.

Seen them do the rounds of my local pubs back out in the middle of nowhere kent on a saturday night, apparantly they were going round all the pubs in the villages. Would have been a lot better used in Maidstone town centre! Intelligent policing for you i guess !

75% false positives doesn't sound reliable to me.

annoyed me when i went to see qtip. and all i saw was dog squad pulling people. it's hardly fair.
can we pepper spray the dogs?

You'd definitely get arrested then.

The ACPO Manual states: “people may not be funnelled or individuals requested to change their direction in order to facilitate the dogs’ deployment as this may constitute a search.”

So, they use the natural filtering nature of Tube gates to do it for them. Cheeky scumbags.

Well can't see how they come to the 75% figure, so would be good to see. As for pepper spraying the dog would that not classed the same as assulting a police officer?

Quoted from a gaurian article (maybe the same one as you, just googled it)

According to Acpo, there is no centralised data on how often sniffer dogs are deployed or details of how many cautions or convictions result from operations using them.

Well can't see how they come to the 75% figure, so would be good to see. As for pepper spraying the dog would that not classed the same as assulting a police officer?

"Release has made several Freedom of Information requests to police forces throughout the country which show that in over 75% of searches (resulting from a dog sniff) no drugs were found. This is backed by further Australian research."
http://www.release.org.uk/campaigns/current-campaigns/sniffer-dogs

the searches i saw at that gig didn't seem to result in anything.

There must have been 20 cops in Ealing station (2 vans outside and one massive police truck with a tent setup too!). I didn't see anyone being spoken to but that doesn't mean much.

Personally I think it's overkill just to bust someone with some herb in their pockets. It's not like these crazy drug-fuelled oyster card users are kicking off as soon as they swipe out.

Not saying it a good thing, just dubious of taking stat's on face value, especially as i can't imaging the police being that forthcoming, They could have got the 75% figure from 10 reported stops or 1000!

Does seem like the cops take the easy option sometimes though!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/03/2704056.htm
Music festival + 4 dogs + 50 coppers = 65 people arrested for pills, 80% users, 1 dealer

"In Australia public outrage against sniffer dogs has resulted in the Parliamentary Ombudsman conducting a review of their use. The Ombudsman conducted a study into the accuracy of the police dogs and found 73 % of the people pointed out by the dogs had no drugs on them.

The same study showed that 60 % of those searched and who had no drugs on them admitted to the police that they had had some contact with cannabis, or had been to a place where it had been smoked. If they search you and find no drugs - don’t make any admissions! In doing so you bolster the credibility of the dogs’ powers, and add information to police files on you."
http://www.schmoo.co.uk/cannabis/snifferdogs.htm

"After questioning in the Parliament the Greens have ascertained that each dog costs $90,000 to train and who knows how much is spent on ongoing up keep. And then each dog has its own handler and every time there is one of these futile operations 12 or more officers are involved."

http://www.partyvibe.com/forums/law/30890-sniffer-dogs-london-underground-network.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/03/2704056.htm
Music festival + 4 dogs + 50 coppers = 65 people arrested for pills, 80% users, 1 dealer

"In Australia public outrage against sniffer dogs has resulted in the Parliamentary Ombudsman conducting a review of their use. The Ombudsman conducted a study into the accuracy of the police dogs and found 73 % of the people pointed out by the dogs had no drugs on them.

The same study showed that 60 % of those searched and who had no drugs on them admitted to the police that they had had some contact with cannabis, or had been to a place where it had been smoked. If they search you and find no drugs - don’t make any admissions! In doing so you bolster the credibility of the dogs’ powers, and add information to police files on you."

http://www.schmoo.co.uk/cannabis/snifferdogs.htm

"After questioning in the Parliament the Greens have ascertained that each dog costs $90,000 to train and who knows how much is spent on ongoing up keep. And then each dog has its own handler and every time there is one of these futile operations 12 or more officers are involved."

http://www.partyvibe.com/forums/law/30890-sniffer-dogs-london-underground-network.html

this is classic directed use of statistics!
not that i really give a shit either way its just hilarious.

if 75% of people had no drugs on them, and 60% of those Admitted that they had had some contact with cannabis in the past however long, suggests as a tool those dogs are pretty fucking effective.
it means that potentially- and this is a non quantifiable part- that the 40% who were stopped and did not admit, simply lied about their past cannabis usage, or were innocent, however it is likely that some would have lied, due to the illegality, but common use of the drug.

Basically its BS.
also i thought some of those dogs are explosive sniffers?

Finally,
why the fuck use the tube?

Not quite..
"had some contact with cannabis, or had been to a place where it had been smoked"

So, their "admissions" could have been "I've just left a bar where someone might have smoked weed".

If a dog picks you up and you know you're innocent what are you going to do? You're probably going to assume the dog is accurate and somehow justify your stink by suggesting you'd contacted it while out somewhere.

The statistic is still 73% of people stopped had no drugs.

It'd be like being pulled over on Friday after being in a car that might have run a red light on Monday.

I use the Tube when I don't want to ride, obviously.