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  • I really like this frame and it's a nice photo.

  • Pro Keirin rider posts his own bike of FGG

    Is a pro kerin rider still using a bike like this?? I would have thought he would be at a major disadvantage when up against a modern carbon frame and wheels. Crashes or no crashes.

  • Is a pro kerin rider still using a bike like this?? I would have thought he would be at a major disadvantage when up against a modern carbon frame and wheels. Crashes or no crashes.

    You are joking, aren't you?

  • No am not joking whatsoever. Olympic kerin medal from memory was won on a round tube steel bike with traditional wheels...no wait a minute it was Chris Hoy on a full carbon frame with carbon wheels, etc, etc

  • Carbon frames aint kerin legal innit?

  • I really like this frame and it's a nice photo.

    Looks strange with the stem longer than the seaatpost

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  • No am not joking whatsoever. Olympic kerin medal from memory was won on a round tube steel bike with traditional wheels...no wait a minute it was Chris Hoy on a full carbon frame with carbon wheels, etc, etc

    aaaaand a wikipedia pages on Keirin race;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin#Equipment

    also it's generally about the rider, not the bike, Theo Bos was invited to a Keirin race, and got beaten;

    YouTube - Theo Bos vs Japanese keirin riders 02

  • No am not joking whatsoever. Olympic kerin medal from memory was won on a round tube steel bike with traditional wheels...no wait a minute it was Chris Hoy on a full carbon frame with carbon wheels, etc, etc

    Keirin in the Olympics is not Keirin in Japan though is it. Google it and you should find a fair bit of info (restrictions, bikes being made to same criteria etc,. to make fair as possible as lots of money passes hands on these races - like horse racing in UK)

  • very impressive eruditon. and restraint. i was expecting, maybe even hoping for, a savaging for keirin naivety. what i don't get about jap keirin though is surely one rider will simply be better than the others and mainly always win; ie pendelton, hoy, bolt.. or rather there must be periods when this is the case... therefore, it must be a bit fixed, no? mmmm, maybe i'm more ignorant than i thought.

  • what i don't get about jap keirin though is surely one rider will simply be better than the others and mainly always win; ie pendelton, hoy, bolt....

    Because they're not invited to race in Keirin, in order to complete in a Keirin race, you need to go through a Keirin school.

    more information here;

    http://trackracer.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-about-keirin-and-keirin-culture.html

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    Are you pissed? :-$

  • very impressiv.......blah, blah:. what i don't get about jap keirin though is surely ........blah,blah....., maybe i'm more ignorant than i thought.

    JAP is not a good word.

    sorry if i missed something.

  • Because they're not invited to race in Keirin, in order to complete in a Keirin race, you need to go through a Keirin school.

    more information here;

    http://trackracer.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-about-keirin-and-keirin-culture.html

    He doesnt mean Hoy or Pendleton would dominate, he means surely one japanese racer would dominate, much like Hoy and Pendleton did in the olympics.

  • what i don't get about jap keirin though is surely one rider will simply be better than the others and mainly always win

    If you have only ever watched UCI Keirin races, you won't understand NJS Keirin. The rules are somewhat different, including the number of riders and the pacing. For these reasons, the outcome is more uncertain than is the case under UCI rules. Riding on a longer track makes it hard to race the Hoy way; taking the Derny's wheel and holding everybody off for two laps might work on a 250m track, but on a 400m track you're on your own for half a mile!

    Also, Hoy is dominant at the Olympics and World Championships because he is better then the others and only has to achieve peak condition for a week. As long as he doesn't cock up, he gets to the big championships in peak condition and his superiority shows. All the other UCI circuit competitors are conditioning for the same peaks so Hoy can look dominant at other times even when is below his peak, because everybody else working towards the same goals is similarly off their peak.

    In a long season of NJS Keirin, no one competitor can maintain peak form all the time, and others may come to their peak at other times.

  • ^I enjoyed reading that.Very well explained & interesting.

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  • Thats weird, as it surely looks like the Netherlands flag is for the yellow rider and thats the one who one won. And I´m pretty sure Bos is dutch...

    aaaaand a wikipedia pages on Keirin race;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin#Equipment

    also it's generally about the rider, not the bike, Theo Bos was invited to a Keirin race, and got beaten;

    YouTube - Theo Bos vs Japanese keirin riders 02

  • I was thinking the same thing

  • yep. bos won that heat. yellow number 5

  • JAP is not a good word.

    sorry if i missed something.

    eh? so Brit is off limits too is it? Yank as well? i wasn't being derogatory if that's what you mean. oh god, offense taken..liberal middle class angst strikes.

  • eh? so Brit is off limits too is it? Yank as well? i wasn't being derogatory if that's what you mean. oh god, offense taken..liberal middle class angst strikes.

    I was thinking the same.And let's not forget the Aussies.

  • ....or the kiwis, or indeed us Poms! Up the Poms, down with the Aussies. Boooo!

  • JAP is not a good word.

    True. If you need to use a contraction for the country word, Nip is better as it respects their culture and language by using a closer approximation to the name they themselves use for their nation.

    Also, using JAP in connection with motor paced events is confusing, because it wouldn't really be Keirin if you were behind one of these

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