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still haven't got to the end Will but after two pages I would agree that it is an interesting thread. It is however largely a collection of personal anecdotes of positive experiences people have had using the NHS. One would hope that the vast majority of all our experiences of the NHS are positive after all we pay a lot of money for it and would should expect nothing less. This however doesn't make it the best way to deliver health care. As for America...well that's there fault if they end up spending more than we do supplying health care in what is obviously a badly run inefficient system. The market would tell them that for free but unfortunately they are too busy tampering with it's results. Shame on them. Because America can't sort itself out doesn't mean we can't come up with a system that would allow me to opt out if i chose private care.
Yet again you use the term 'free' to describe something that costs a lot of money to provide. As for charity..well my point is that if there were so many people such as yourself willing to help out the poor and needy then what is stopping you doing that if i choose to opt out? Why not let me choose to help people I want to and you and your friends can help everyone. please explain to me why this is so difficult. As for its popularity, well i agree it is an institution that people are proud of but for a long time now a growing number of people have been questioning the quality of its service and its relevance. we no longer live in the 1940's or 50's society has changed and simply providing health care free on the point of entry to everyone may not be working.
As for comparing the army to the NHS.....that's a no brainer...i suppose you could choose not to pay for the army and then you would have to accept that we would have absolutely no defence. We all choose to pay for an army for obvious reasons. that's a bit of a no brainer. As for motorways , by all means don't pay for them but then please don't use them. In fact i don't see the similarity in the NHS arguement. I'm advocating being able to opt out where there is a private alternative if i so wish, I'm not asking to be exempt from paying for things. You also seem to equate 'market system' with uncaring, why? for example, what is stopping you or anyone else setting up a caring and loving old age pensioners home where you provide a warm and trusting environment at whatever price you see fit to charge? The market simply reflects what people want it is then up to people to decide.