Danger! HGVs

niceday?
rymans?
staples?
teh internetz?[

quote=noel;860638]sounds cool, i probably sound like a noob but where can i find sticker paper??[/quote]

Bristol today...

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/Bristol-cyclist-lorry-crash/article-1230465-detail/article.html

Got to love the caring comments too. Nice people.

I'm EIlidh's mate and I started sticking the stickers up about a week ago all over town.

I wrote 'DANGER HGVs' as I thought it was eye catching and to the point.

I did want to write 'DANGER -TFL DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR SAFETY'... thought better of it ;o)

I've been sticking them on the tube posters and bike racks around town. Anywhere where Boris & co might see them and have a think.

I certainly don't want to put people off cycling - But I do want the brutal reality of the dangers to come across like a sledge hammer. I weighed up the pros and cons and still believe they're worth sticking up.

I usually print them off at work on address labels from the stationary cupboard.

The more sticker people we have the better!!

[/quote] Is there a single place to report dangerous driving by an HGV company/driver, besides the police?[/quote]

I'm not sure this would do any good, but maybe we shouldn't discount it.

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/text/LTAG.html

It may be cynical of me but it'll be interesting to see what happens in this case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8191234.stm

It may be cynical of me but it'll be interesting to see what happens in this case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8191234.stm

Let's not pre-judge, but I am interested to see the outcome. Whatever the outcome is, though, it's yet another waste of a life not even half-lived.

Saw this at the weekend. I think someone either has the wrong idea or has gotten too carried away.
It's a poster for Notting Hill Carnival under the Mayor of London banner with the Danger HGV sticker.
I think this sort of activity is only going to aggravate the situation.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i226/wicksie/IMG_0147.jpg

New to site, Some interesting points I was not aware of thanks.

This is a very cynical suggestion, but probably true.

Maybe it would take Boris going under one to get a change to happen. Or 'cuddly' David Cameron.

Let's face it, that nearly happened and he still didn't get the message!

**Third Cyclist Hit By Lorry In Bristol
**
6 days = 3 bikes / Lorries

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/cyclist-hit-lorry-Bristol/article-1245982-detail/article.html

Hi,
Here are DRAFT proposals to TfL for a campaign re HGVs and cyclists that I have been asked to comment on (in CAPS). It is supposed to go in by friday this week. Authored by Roadpeace. If anyone wants to comment - or to me directly - not sure the best way to record comments - please do.
Here it is anyway:
[CENTER][CENTER][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Dangers from HGVs to cyclists and pedestrians[/FONT][/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Proposals to TfL for a campaign—AAT revised[/FONT][/SIZE][/CENTER][/CENTER]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Background to the problem[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]More than half of the cyclists killed in London result from collisions with Heavy Goods Vehicles (HGVs), in many cases, but not all [AMY DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENT?] turning left at junctions. HGVs also endanger pedestrians; although this danger is lower profile. 50% more pedestrians than cyclists are killed by HGVs. HGVs also seriously injure many cyclists and pedestrians.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]In the first six months of 2009, preliminary reports indicate that 7 cyclists and 4 pedestrians have died from collisions with HGVs. 6 of the 7 cyclists and all 4 pedestrians were women. [ARE YOU GOING TO UPDATE THESE FIGURES TO THIS MONTH? – I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN ANOTHER AT LEAST 2 CYCLIST DEATHS (MANCHESTER AND LEEDS) [/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Background to the proposals[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]The problem is longstanding and has been the subject of previous initiatives. These have shown that there is no “magic bullet”. A range of measures is needed to make a sufficient impact.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Proposals[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]The proposals are organised [IS THIS THE RIGHT WORD? IMPLEMENTED IS BETTER?] by vehicle (HGV), road user, road environment, and safety management. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]HGV [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]1. Mirrors. TfL should examine the imposition of restrictions on lorries allowed on streets in the GLA area. Such restrictions could be progressively tightened. Currently [YOUR MEANING IS UNCLEAR HERE. DO YOU MEAN THIS SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED NOW, OR THIS IS CURRENTLY ALREADY THE CASE?],[/FONT][/SIZE]

• [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]HGVs without front-facing mirrors (unless newer than 2007), [/FONT][/SIZE]
  
• [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]HGVs with cabs and windscreens designed for inter-urban use, such that drivers cannot see their surroundings and have to rely on up to six mirrors,[/FONT][/SIZE]
  
• [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]HGVs without warning signs, and are allowed on London streets crowded with pedestrians and cyclists. [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]2. Sideguards. HGVs without side overrun guards are also allowed to operate in London. Exclusions should be reconsidered.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]The aim should be to go progressively beyond the requirements of national and EU legislation to a situation in which HGV drivers in London can see their surroundings and operations are safe enough to aspire to zero deaths and serious injuries. Steps along this progression could be the establishment of transhipment centres and the development of a “London lorry”.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]3. Sensors and alarms. Operators should be strongly encouraged to introduce sensors and alarms, as has Cemex. [DO YOU KNOW ABOUT BALFOUR BEATTY’S “360 DEGREE MIRROR” AND THEIR ‘ZERO HARM’ POLICY? CARILLION ALSO HAS A ‘DRIVING FOR WORK POLICY’ WHICH APPLIES TO ALL SUPPLIERS – I HAVENT INVESTIGATED BUT COULD USE THESE AS CASE STUDIES/ LEADING BEST PRACTICE?][/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]4. Warning signs[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]a. Cyclists. Every lorry should have a warning sign displayed on the rear nearside.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]b. Pedestrians. On the sides of HGVs at the front nearside, there should be warning signs about walking close to the front of a stationary lorry.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]**Road user **[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]5. Training programmes[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]a. Lorry drivers. The new training requirements for HGV drivers ( hours per year) make it possible to develop a focussed module, as has been done by LCC for bus drivers. A challenge will be to reach self-employed drivers and smaller firms. What about extending Lambeth programme?[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]b. Foreign drivers. A special training course should be mandatory for drivers of foreign registered HGVs on London’s roads. [WOULD THIS BE CONTRARY TO EU LAW ON FAIR TRADE??][/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]6. Public awareness campaigns[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]a. Cyclists. Messages need to stress the specific dangers, without portraying all cycling as dangerous. [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]b. Pedestrians. The danger to pedestrians is less well known than that to cyclists and a media campaign may be needed. [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]c. ‘Exchanging Places’ demonstrations. Placing HGVs in prominent places, such as Trafalgar Square, and inviting cyclists into the cabs should be extended to target pedestrians. To increase HGV drivers’ awareness, similar demonstrations should be organised at lorry parks just outside London.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]d. Videos. Clear, easy to understand, videos showing dangers should be made readily available for widespread distribution. The latest Metropolitan Police video is useful, but needs professional editing. [AND TOO MUCH EMPHASIS IS PLACED ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CYCLIST TO KEEP OUT OF THE BLIND SPOTS...?][/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]e. Reporting campaign. Cyclists and pedestrians should be encouraged to report bad driving involving HGVs before a death or serious injury occurs. AND THE POLICE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED/ ORDERED TO TAKE THESE SERIOUSLY AND PROSECUTE WHERE POSSIBLE.....?[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Safety management[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]7. Coordination [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]a. Commission. A standing Commission, led by TfL and including representatives from the Metropolitan Police, Cycling and Walking organisations, lorry operators, DfT and others, should be established to ensure good coordination.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]b. DfT A closer dialogue with DfT is needed, including on side overrun guards, where the DfT has not followed up the report it commissioned from TRL some years ago.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]8. Research and policy development [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]a. Update. Knowledge of the problem and possible remedies should be brought together in a single report. This should take account of the current study on Cyclists’ Safety for the DfT. The research in 2007 on cyclists’ deaths should be brought up to date and extended to cover pedestrians. [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]b. Database. A constantly updated database of HGV-related deaths and serious injuries should be available to all parties concerned. [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]c. Reporting. Additional data should be collected on each K/SI collision involving an HGV and a pedestrian or cyclist. This data should include presence of mirrors, sideguard, warning signs, alarms, sensors, height of cab, presence of ‘blindspot’, driver’s vision, RELATIVE POSITION OF CYCLIST AND VEHICLE[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]d. Collision investigators. A meeting should be convened of collision investigators to garner lessons from their experience and insights.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]e. Annual review. An annual review should be held with findings presented to the public.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]f. Research. Research should be conducted into the practicality of a London lorry with a smaller cab design and also the benefits for London of a civil compensation system based on driver liability, as being currently discussed in Scotland.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]9. HGV operators. A Code of Conduct for operators should be available and promoted through trade associations and the police. [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]10. Freight Operators Recognition Scheme. This TfL scheme should be expanded as quickly as possible. All public bodies in London, particularly London local authorities, should be gold standard members and should only employ FORS members for haulage contracts. ALL COMPANIES PROMOTING THE CYCLING TO WORK CAMPAIGN FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE ASKED TO ENSURE ALL SUPPLIERS – RIGHT DOWN THE SUPPLY CHAIN – SIGN UP TO FORS AND ACHEIVE GOLD STANDARD. (I think there are 40,000 companies signed up!)[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]ALL CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO ENSURE ALL SUPPLIERS ACHIEVE GOLD STANDARD. THIS COULD BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH AN AMMENDMENT TO THE CONSIDERATE CONSTRUCTORS SCHEME OR THEIR OWN CSR OR SUSTAINABILITY POLICES[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]**11. Commercial Vehicle Education Unit. **The CVEU has done much good work publicising the risk of HGVs to cyclists and should be continued. Collision investigation reports should include copies of their visit reports to any company whose driver was involved in a fatal crash. [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]12. Trade associations. The Freight Transport Association, the Road Haulage Association, the Mineral Products Association and other trade associations should be fully brought into this campaign AND BE ENCOURAGED TO ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO SIGN UP TO FORS – GOLD STARDARD PREFERRED AND MAYBE CREATE AN INCENTIVE SCHEME FOR MEMBERS TO DO SO[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]13. Operators. The new obligations under the Corporate Manslaughter legislation and Health and Safety guidance need to be promulgated more strongly, especially to smaller operators.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]14. Prosecutions. A closer dialogue is need with the Ministry for Justice on prosecution policy. The Vehicle and Operator Services Agency has been provided with additional powers and resources, so the current very low level of deterrent prosecutions could be raised.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]15. Funding. A campaign adequately addressing the above topics would require funding, both internally and for any NGO input required.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]16. Considerate Contractor Scheme. This should be extended to include approach roads to construction sites. NO NOT ENOUGH! SHOULD COVER ALL TRANSPORTATION OF MATERIALS (DEMOLITION, RESUSED, RECYCLED, NEW AND WASTE PRODUCTS) ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SUPPLY CHAIN.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]I see this is a City of London scheme. More widespread is the Considerate Constructors Scheme as my comments above and detail of which is below FYI[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Road environment[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]17. Fatal collision site inspection. Each site of a fatal collision should be reviewed for altered street lay-out there and lessons elsewhere. [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]18. Trixie mirrors. The trials of Trixie mirrors on cycle super highways could lead to more widespread use. [/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]19. Junction design. The indirect road danger from traffic speeds created by curves designed to accommodate HGVs could be reduced by tighter curves, with cobbled areas for HGVs.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]20. Major construction projects. Special measures should be developed for HGVs for the Olympics, Crossrail and other major projects (A high proportion of HGVs delivering to the main Olympic site failed a Police check last year).[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]I challenged them on this when I spoke to them. They denied it and I didn’t have the source info to back it up though. Do you? They said their job was to deliver the Olympics and they couldn’t control all their vehicles outside their logistic centres. This is irresponsible and disgraceful. That’s what they said about environmental issues years ago. Now they would be slammed by activists if they didn’t comply with environmental regulations and even best practice beyond regulation on projects such as the Olympics. “Special Measures” is vague, can we not just ask that they sign up to FORS gold standard for all vehicles/ supply chain?[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Conclusion[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]The above proposals are submitted as an element of Share the Road, specific to HGVs.[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]
  [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]London Cycling Campaign, CTC, RoadPeace, Living Streets[/FONT][/SIZE]
  [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]July 2009[/FONT][/SIZE]
  

OMG - how do I stop that happening - sorry!

TIP

Dangers from HGVs to cyclists and pedestriansProposals to TfL for a campaign—AAT revised

Background to the problem
More than half of the cyclists killed in London result from collisions with Heavy Goods Vehicles (HGVs), in many cases, but not all [AMY DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENT?] turning left at junctions. HGVs also endanger pedestrians; although this danger is lower profile. 50% more pedestrians than cyclists are killed by HGVs. HGVs also seriously injure many cyclists and pedestrians

In the first six months of 2009, preliminary reports indicate that 7 cyclists and 4 pedestrians have died from collisions with HGVs. 6 of the 7 cyclists and all 4 pedestrians were women. [ARE YOU GOING TO UPDATE THESE FIGURES TO THIS MONTH? – I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN ANOTHER AT LEAST 2 CYCLIST DEATHS (MANCHESTER AND LEEDS)

Background to the proposals
The problem is longstanding and has been the subject of previous initiatives. These have shown that there is no “magic bullet”. A range of measures is needed to make a sufficient impact

Proposals
The proposals are organised [IS THIS THE RIGHT WORD? IMPLEMENTED IS BETTER?] by vehicle (HGV), road user, road environment, and safety management.
**HGV **
1. Mirrors. TfL should examine the imposition of restrictions on lorries allowed on streets in the GLA area. Such restrictions could be progressively tightened. Currently [YOUR MEANING IS UNCLEAR HERE. DO YOU MEAN THIS SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED NOW, OR THIS IS CURRENTLY ALREADY THE CASE

• HGVs without front-facing mirrors (unless newer than 2007),
  
• HGVs with cabs and windscreens designed for inter-urban use, such that drivers cannot see their surroundings and have to rely on up to six mirrors
  
• HGVs without warning signs, and are allowed on London streets crowded with pedestrians and cyclists.
  2. Sideguards. HGVs without side overrun guards are also allowed to operate in London. Exclusions should be reconsidered
  The aim should be to go progressively beyond the requirements of national and EU legislation to a situation in which HGV drivers in London can see their surroundings and operations are safe enough to aspire to zero deaths and serious injuries. Steps along this progression could be the establishment of transhipment centres and the development of a “London lorry
  3. Sensors and alarms. Operators should be strongly encouraged to introduce sensors and alarms, as has Cemex. [DO YOU KNOW ABOUT BALFOUR BEATTY’S “360 DEGREE MIRROR” AND THEIR ‘ZERO HARM’ POLICY? CARILLION ALSO HAS A ‘DRIVING FOR WORK POLICY’ WHICH APPLIES TO ALL SUPPLIERS – I HAVENT INVESTIGATED BUT COULD USE THESE AS CASE STUDIES/ LEADING BEST PRACTICE
  4. Warning signs
  a. Cyclists. Every lorry should have a warning sign displayed on the rear nearside
  b. Pedestrians. On the sides of HGVs at the front nearside, there should be warning signs about walking close to the front of a stationary lorry
  **Road user **
  5. Training programmes
  a. Lorry drivers. The new training requirements for HGV drivers ( hours per year) make it possible to develop a focussed module, as has been done by LCC for bus drivers. A challenge will be to reach self-employed drivers and smaller firms. What about extending Lambeth programme
  b. Foreign drivers. A special training course should be mandatory for drivers of foreign registered HGVs on London’s roads. [WOULD THIS BE CONTRARY TO EU LAW ON FAIR TRADE?]
  6. Public awareness campaigns
  a. Cyclists. Messages need to stress the specific dangers, without portraying all cycling as dangerous.
  b. Pedestrians. The danger to pedestrians is less well known than that to cyclists and a media campaign may be needed.
  c. ‘Exchanging Places’ demonstrations. Placing HGVs in prominent places, such as Trafalgar Square, and inviting cyclists into the cabs should be extended to target pedestrians. To increase HGV drivers’ awareness, similar demonstrations should be organised at lorry parks just outside London.
  d. Videos. Clear, easy to understand, videos showing dangers should be made readily available for widespread distribution. The latest Metropolitan Police video is useful, but needs professional editing. [AND TOO MUCH EMPHASIS IS PLACED ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CYCLIST TO KEEP OUT OF THE BLIND SPOTS...?]
  e. Reporting campaign. Cyclists and pedestrians should be encouraged to report bad driving involving HGVs before a death or serious injury occurs. AND THE POLICE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED/ ORDERED TO TAKE THESE SERIOUSLY AND PROSECUTE WHERE POSSIBLE. CAN THEY LEGALLY DO SO ON WITNESS EVIDENCE SUCH AS THIS.
  Safety management
  **7. Coordination **
  a. Commission. A standing Commission, led by TfL and including representatives from the Metropolitan Police, Cycling and Walking organisations, lorry operators, DfT and others, should be established to ensure good coordination.[/
  b. DfT A closer dialogue with DfT is needed, including on side overrun guards, where the DfT has not followed up the report it commissioned from TRL some years ago
  8. Research and policy development
  a. Update. Knowledge of the problem and possible remedies should be brought together in a single report. This should take account of the current study on Cyclists’ Safety for the DfT. The research in 2007 on cyclists’ deaths should be brought up to date and extended to cover pedestrians.
  b. Database. A constantly updated database of HGV-related deaths and serious injuries should be available to all parties concerned.
  c. Reporting. Additional data should be collected on each K/SI collision involving an HGV and a pedestrian or cyclist. This data should include presence of mirrors, sideguard, warning signs, alarms, sensors, height of cab, presence of ‘blindspot’, driver’s vision, RELATIVE POSITION OF CYCLIST AND VEHICLE
  d. Collision investigators. A meeting should be convened of collision investigators to garner lessons from their experience and insights.
  e. Annual review. An annual review should be held with findings presented to the public
  f. Research. Research should be conducted into the practicality of a London lorry with a smaller cab design and also the benefits for London of a civil compensation system based on driver liability, as being currently discussed in Scotland
  9. HGV operators. A Code of Conduct for operators should be available and promoted through trade associations and the police.
  10. Freight Operators Recognition Scheme. This TfL scheme should be expanded as quickly as possible. All public bodies in London, particularly London local authorities, should be gold standard members and should only employ FORS members for haulage contracts. ALL COMPANIES PROMOTING THE CYCLING TO WORK CAMPAIGN FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE ASKED TO ENSURE ALL SUPPLIERS – RIGHT DOWN THE SUPPLY CHAIN – SIGN UP TO FORS AND ACHEIVE GOLD STANDARD. (I think there are 40,000 companies signed up)
  
  

ALL CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO ENSURE ALL SUPPLIERS ACHIEVE GOLD STANDARD. THIS COULD BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH AN AMMENDMENT TO THE CONSIDERATE CONSTRUCTORS SCHEME OR THEIR OWN CSR OR SUSTAINABILITY POLICES
**11. Commercial Vehicle Education Unit. **The CVEU has done much good work publicising the risk of HGVs to cyclists and should be continued. Collision investigation reports should include copies of their visit reports to any company whose driver was involved in a fatal crash.
12. Trade associations. The Freight Transport Association, the Road Haulage Association, the Mineral Products Association and other trade associations should be fully brought into this campaign AND BE ENCOURAGED TO ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS TO SIGN UP TO FORS – GOLD STARDARD PREFERRED AND MAYBE CREATE AN INCENTIVE SCHEME FOR MEMBERS TO DO SO
13. Operators. The new obligations under the Corporate Manslaughter legislation and Health and Safety guidance need to be promulgated more strongly, especially to smaller operators.
14. Prosecutions. A closer dialogue is need with the Ministry for Justice on prosecution policy. The Vehicle and Operator Services Agency has been provided with additional powers and resources, so the current very low level of deterrent prosecutions could be raised.
15. Funding. A campaign adequately addressing the above topics would require funding, both internally and for any NGO input required
16. Considerate Contractor Scheme. This should be extended to include approach roads to construction sites. NO NOT ENOUGH! SHOULD COVER ALL TRANSPORTATION OF MATERIALS (DEMOLITION, RESUSED, RECYCLED, NEW AND WASTE PRODUCTS) ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SUPPLY CHAIN
I see this is a City of London scheme. More widespread is the Considerate Constructors Scheme as my comments above and detail of which is below FYI
Road environment
17. Fatal collision site inspection. Each site of a fatal collision should be reviewed for altered street lay-out there and lessons elsewhere. [/FONT
18. Trixie mirrors. The trials of Trixie mirrors on cycle super highways could lead to more widespread use.
19. Junction design. The indirect road danger from traffic speeds created by curves designed to accommodate HGVs could be reduced by tighter curves, with cobbled areas for HGVs
20. Major construction projects. Special measures should be developed for HGVs for the Olympics, Crossrail and other major projects (A high proportion of HGVs delivering to the main Olympic site failed a Police check last year). KC - I CHALLENGED THEM ON THIS WHEN I SPOKE TO THEM. THEY DENIED ITand I didn’t have the source info to back it up though. Do you? They said their job was to deliver the Olympics and they couldn’t control all their vehicles outside their logistic centres. This is irresponsible and disgraceful. That’s what they said about environmental issues years ago. Now they would be slammed by activists if they didn’t comply with environmental regulations and even best practice beyond regulation on projects such as the Olympics. “Special Measures” is vague, can we not just ask that they sign up to FORS gold standard for all vehicles/ supply chain
Conclusion
The above proposals are submitted as an element of Share the Road, specific to HGVs
London Cycling Campaign, CTC, RoadPeace, Living Streets

http://bristolcars.blogspot.com/

This thread is making me worry about getting run over every time I get on my bike now, which means I'm enjoying it less.
And now there are pictures of people who have been in an accident? Is this a bit too far? Why would you take a photo of someone who's just been run over? I think this person died too.

Clearly the answer is stop reading it isn't it.

That person didn't die. She has a suspected brioken leg. There was another incident a couple of days before where the cyclst involved died. That brings te total incidents in Bristol to an unusually high four on one week. And thats only serious newsworthy incidents.

The incident in the photos happened on a road layout that people in Bristol have tried to get changed and warn other cyclists about for a long time. It's a two lane road at the lights (around the corner from the photos) that has a cycle lane on the left of the left turn lane for traffic. Lots of cyclists will use a cycle lane when they see it assuming it is the right place to be and is suggested as a safe lane by whoever designed it. Quite clearly whoever designed this one as never been on a bike or thought the layout through.

I think the person who took those photos and the person who runs that blog is doing so in order to try and get the message out to people that you don't always have to use cycle lanes, they're not automatically safe and some are actually dangerous, encouraging cyclists into places where they are in danger.

There isn't really much around to inform people of the hazards when navigating HGVs or even other left turning traffic at the moment. There's no public awareness camaigns or adverts etc and there's unlikely to be. The main way people find out about hazards is through word of mouth / internet or through depressing news stories of injury or fatality. Sad but true.

There are plenty of people out there who know how to look after themselves on a bike, but there are also plenty of naive cyclists too who are riding unaware of how to look out for themsleves.

It is possible to avoid danger on a bike, but the word / knowledge needs spreading somehow, and government / councils right now seem more concerned with putting money into unrealistic romanticised posters of idylic cycling in our cities than offering simple advice on how to stay alive.

There* is* a way to do this without portraying cycling as dangerous. Leaving it to the news stories and tradgedies to spread the word will make people think cycling is dangerous. Educating, spreading knowledge and addressing blind spot HGV issues so that the incidents don't occur in the first place will actually make cycling safer, resulting in less horror stories, resulting in less people feeling that cycling is dangerous.

Edit: Ps. yes in that google street view grab the traffic lights are turning red with cars blocking the box junction and stopped in front of the ASL. That is fairly normal and usually busier for this junction and cyclists will filter down the left when traffic is backed up. At least the cars aren't in the ASL I suppose.

London Tonight is covering the Exchanging Places (where the cyclists get in a truck to look at the blind spots) and doing a piece on HGVs and cyclists tonight.
Think the prog is on at 6pm.

Wonder if it's the same as the video here?

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/11687.aspx

This thread is making me worry about getting run over every time I get on my bike now, which means I'm enjoying it less.
And now there are pictures of people who have been in an accident? Is this a bit too far? Why would you take a photo of someone who's just been run over? I think this person died too.

Clearly the answer is stop reading it isn't it.

That is clearly not the answer, everybody needs to be aware of what can happen on the roads. I just ride my bike assuming every driver is an idiot (this is not true but I find when someone does not look, or turns without indicating you are prepared)

I didn't know Eilidh that well but she worked in the same building as me and I would see her most mornings walking her bike through the back doors past our workshop. I found out on the memorial ride she took a similar route to me too. Her death scared me into change. I have slowed down a lot on my commute and changed to much quieter roads (I now go through Hyde Park every day which has been amazing this summer) I have experienced far fewer incidents recently.

I love cycling in London

This thread is making me worry about getting run over every time I get on my bike now, which means I'm enjoying it less.

let put this in perspective.

on average 500,000 londoners cycle everyday.

on average (so far), 15 people die cycling in London, most of them HGV related.

while it's a sad avoidable loss, it's still a very small numbers.

Wonder if it's the same as the video here?

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/11687.aspx

good site and some good advice

let put this in perspective.

on average 500,000 londoners cycle everyday.

on average (so far), 15 people die cycling in London, most of them HGV related.

while it's a sad avoidable loss, it's still a very small numbers.

Now Edscoble, you are starting to talk like a politician. Dont quote numbers that are 'acceptable'. What number would you say is not acceptable, and not a 'small' number? These are people, individuals, that are contributing to society and to your quality of life. Each single death leaves behind millions of pounds of cost - paid by you the tax payer - and human pain and suffering. And massive consequences on other individuals, even those not directly related. I spoke to a number of people at the scene who told me they were traumatised by seeing Eilidh. Young children who were on their way to school and nursery and who then couldnt sleep at night, who had to go to the Drs., whose parents had to explain why the girl was 'sleeping'. People who will live with the image for ever.
You think its ok if one of these dead cyclists have left 4 small children as orphans?
The pertinent word is 'avoidable'. I would argue that because they are avoidable even 1 single person who dies cycling in London is unacceptable, never mind 15. We dont need millions of pounds worth of research to find a cure. We know what the cure is. We just need to ACT NOW.
Dont fall into the statistics trap, we can argue black is white with statistics.

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Now Edscoble, you are starting to talk like a politician. Dont quote numbers that are 'acceptable'. What number would you say is not acceptable, and not a 'small' number? These are people, individuals, that are contributing to society and to your quality of life. Each single death leaves behind millions of pounds of cost - paid by you the tax payer - and human pain and suffering. And massive consequences on other individuals, even those not directly related. I spoke to a number of people at the scene who told me they were traumatised by seeing Eilidh. Young children who were on their way to school and nursery and who then couldnt sleep at night, who had to go to the Drs., whose parents had to explain why the girl was 'sleeping'. People who will live with the image for ever.
You think its ok if one of these dead cyclists have left 4 small children as orphans?
The pertinent word is 'avoidable'. I would argue that because they are avoidable even 1 single person who dies cycling in London is unacceptable, never mind 15. We dont need millions of pounds worth of research to find a cure. We know what the cure is. We just need to ACT NOW.
Dont fall into the statistics trap, we can argue black is white with statistics.

I think ed was trying to say that you shouldn't stop cycling because 1/12,000,000 journeys end's in tragady. Not that it doesn't matter that 17 people hae died.