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  • Hi there I live in Brum though everyone should take a look at the following...

    We've doing research since this demo on the 4th july (can't believe didn't hear about it!!!)

    Indymedia link - photos show Wigan Mike(?) and the bloke in the sunglasses has been 'security' for all the bnp demos I've seen in town [Brum].
    (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regio...?c=on#comments)

    This is some info a friend found out...

    *"The English Defence League has been born out of protests by "United
    People of Luton" and "March for England", against Muslim protesters
    who challenged/verbally abused British soldiers on their home coming
    parade. I ran a WHOIS query on their website and the registered
    owner is Chris Renton who also appears on the BNP membership list.
    Now that the European elections are over the BNP are jumping on any
    bandwagon they can to further their crypto-fascist cause.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-fascism

    Thus why Nick Griffin is on the radio today rubbishing a recent
    report which has found that asylum seekers do not get preferential
    treatment to white people. The BNP backed English Defence League are
    using the extremist Muslim protests as a vehicle for Islamaphobia,
    to convert "normal" (sic) people to be racist if you like. Most of
    EDL's recruits are from football firms, and I think this is not
    accident, in all likelihood the BNP are attempting to create a
    militant and up-for-it front group to do their dirty work whilst
    maintaining plausible deniability.

    ** Wikipedia (Links) *

    • Football_hooliganism *
    • Wikipedia (Links) *
    • List_of_hooligan_firms *
    • Wikipedia (Links) *
    • Plausible_deniability *
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      Since Nick Griffin was egged at the end of the European Elections
      and had to be rushed off, I am sure he feels a bit nervous that he
      was seemingly so vulnerable to a group of not particularly radical
      anti-fascists. This strategy has been used historically in other
      European countries by fascist groups, and as a result football
      ultras in Italy or Spain are almost always partisan, either far left
      or far right.

    If you have not seen these videos you should watch them:-

    http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index....=0&#entry30614

    ** YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

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    [LEFT] YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. [/LEFT]

    *
    http://www.casttv.com/video/nt7kbr/p...7th-2009-video

    I do not think that the idea that everyone in EDL is racist is clear
    cut, looking at the video of the protest I saw the odd black face,
    and apparently the Zulus (Birmingham city firm) are involved and
    they are a mixed race firm. I think some of them will be unhappy to
    find out the group is run by a BNP member, as there were seemingly
    "No NF" (National Front) banners at the demo, which is perverse. I
    don't know a lot about firms but I think they tend to be run by
    leaders, so I imagine allegiances would be up to them.

    So, how to counter this?

    Well, I think a Birmingham Indymedia feature would be a good start,
    then I think we should have an national Indymedia feature where we
    expand on the Birmingham feature calling out for a mobilisation in
    Birmingham on August 8th. We need to call on anti-fascist groups
    from around the country. Also, Birmingham is a diverse and
    multi-cultural city and I don't think the people of Birmingham are
    going to stand for this shit. There is already a Facebook group with
    143 members:-

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100179777051

    I have some lefty contacts within Asian communities who we can
    liaise with. We also need to actively seek out people from local
    football firms who might support this, and also black communities,
    and encourage them to mobilise too.

    In terms of the politics of this, I think we need a coherent
    message. The EDL are a crypto-fascist organisation, and they are
    attempting to conflate Islam and Islamic extremism. Although I
    generally dislike all forms of organised religion, most Muslims are
    moderate and tolerant people, and the freedom for people to practice
    whatever belief system they want is a basic liberty. The irony here
    is that the BNP who are behind the EDL have a lot in common with
    Islamo-fascism; they despise people who do not conform to their
    worldview, they are racist, sexist, authoritarian, support the death
    penalty, and are imperialistic. So, aligning the BNP with radical
    and comparing the similarities could be a good strategy. Demanding
    that members of EDL change sides to fight all forms of fascism could
    be interesting.

    I also think challenging their propaganda directly is important.
    Most of the material from the "promotional video" is lifted straight
    from the Daily Mail, a paper not known for it's factual accuracy.
    Their key strategy appears to be turning a small extremist minority
    into some overshadowing spectre, and they are doing this by
    suggesting that all Muslims are involved in this 'conspiracy'. There
    is also the other side of the coin which is the rise of far-right
    terrorism:-

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/ju...-threat-police

    It is not as if radical Islam is the only threat.

    Both are far right, and both are about defending 'their people'. One
    is fuelled by British /US/Israeli foreign policy, and the other is
    fuelled by the recession. Which is why I think a class analysis is
    also needed. British foreign policy is about securing future
    resources and markets at the expense of people (in this case
    Muslims). The recession is the result of elitist profligacy, our
    economy has been sunk by the richest people who are leaching of all
    of us, and now they want us (the working class) to pay for this. So,
    they bring in divide and rule tactics. They ask the white working
    class to blame anyone who is 'foreign'. Any political party which
    supports neo-liberalism will basically benefit from the rise of the
    far right, who have an interest to mislay the blame."*

  • oh and fuck you and the UAF you brown stink

    Reported.

  • Reported.

    twice actually.

  • I don't like the sound of WiganMike either; stupid name if ever I heard one.

  • :-/

  • Forgive me- but wtf?

  • Thrice reported. Go read about snark hunting.

  • Forgive me- but wtf?

    Well, as far as I can figure out he's called Mike and he's from Wigan. Retardo appears to be a racist spammer or there is some "joke" going on that we've all missed.

  • How has this thread had 900 views in less than ten minutes?

  • Ah- would this make more sense if I had viewed the YouTube clip?

    I never bother usually.

    I thought the post more than usually infantile, but thought that the poster was trying to be in character as'twere.

    I've just googled UAF (yes I am ignorant) and have reported it also.

  • How has this thread had 900 views in less than ten minutes?

    Some form of script/bot?

  • Okay, wtf is going on

  • I've reported the fucking pair of them
    This forum is about RIDING BIKES

  • i want retardo as my friend.

    who really cares? they'll get sick of it real quick and move on to doing something else really dull. it's the internet not wtf

  • How has this thread had 900 views in less than ten minutes?

    Some form of script/bot?

    The search terms associated with racial politics are going to be entered on Google a lot more than the ones to do with riding fixed. And the e-gossip will spread more quickly.

  • I've reported the fucking pair of them
    This forum is about RIDING BIKES

    Hardly; it's mostly football and cars and music and stuff.

  • I've reported the fucking pair of them
    This forum is about RIDING BIKES

    How does that work then?

  • How does that work then?

    what a forum or riding bikes?

  • Something about finding balance and moving forward.

  • thought you like only excess? pain pain or more pain

  • This isn't about me. It's about bikes and bigotry.

  • How does that work then?

    buy fixie, ride to brick lane with other fixie riders, skid, drink cheap beer, go home and explain to mum why your bike got stolen.

  • i want retardo as my friend.

    you and QuickVit too, no doubt :)

  • pain pain or more pain

  • I do like a bit of that, yes.

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