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also... on my 1st time out on them i stacked it pretty good just outside the gates of Finsbury Park, just totally forgot i was clipped in - nothing to grap onto, nowhere to go except straight to the floor.
pretty sure some of you guys on here must have seen this - last saturday about 8.00am ish, there were LOADS of people around on bikes - i was the fella on a Charge laying on the floor!