Torture

I'm out of this debate. It's too emotive and will ultimately end up in name calling or mild forum bullying, I'll agree to disagree with the masses on the positive merits of torture.

Some of the above is a joke.

Urgh, this thread/debate has quickly become futile and pointless, i'll leave you guys to it.

Then leave the people arguing about the relative merits of torture to it. If you duck out, there's nobody left to inform the rational discussion you clearly want to be having.