Glossy photos of girls on bikes!

the post you intentionally misquote above wasn't aimed at you.

I do understand what you mean, but you're dead wrong. Maybe the post wasn't aimed at me, but it was aimed at Will, who said that I was clever and thoughtful (his words, not mine I might add). By trying to undermine his comment by referring to posts I'd made and threads I'd started, like it or not, that *is *a personal dig at me! As I said anyway, if you're going to have a dig at me, at least try and undermine the argument, rather than the person who's posting - it only suggests you haven't got a strong and well-structured argument to respond with.

In any case, you keep saying that this wasn't aimed at me - maybe you'd care to explain what your intention of referring to my posting history was then?

It is not arrogance that I feel no need to justify my 'actions' (You mean my words right?) It is because I have tried not to become embroiled in this argument and that I have not sided and instead have listened and tried to learn.

Is it the thread or the posts within that offend? 'accept that what you've done' Please tell me what it is that I've done? Read the origional post, I tried to raise some money for charity.

Well, this is possibly a prompt for you to take your own advice above /\/\/\/\/. My posts on this thread were never aimed at you - regardless of the fact you started the thread. I appreciate the effort you must have put in to make some money for charidee, but whether it was your intention or not, the thread has been derailed into something else. I don't hold you personally responsible for this and haven't suggested it either. There's no need to take it personally or feel the need to respond just because I've taken issue with what someone else has posted on 'your' thread.

'more people than me are noticeably concerned about the message this thread sends out' - I'd hazard a guess that there are those that aren't concerned, difference is I don't know as fact so won't state it.

Lots of people have PM-ed me to thank me for taking a stand on this, while practically everyone I spoke to on the memorial ride supported my actions. I would still have said what I did whether a thousand people had said that to me or none. Surely the fact that some people don't like what people are posting on this thread is enough to reconsider its place, and whether its content is appropriate for a fixed wheel cycling forum?

I don't think you have vertigo, I think you have altitude sickness.

I don't consider myself to be taking the moral high ground on this issue - nor do I consider myself in any way 'better' than anyone else just because I don't feel the need to grunt and high-5 over pictures of women. I just didn't think this macho-sexist culture actually existed on this site.

This thread makes me think of that Duff beer commercial from the Simpsons...

Women with Signs: Down with sexism! Down with sexism!
Man 1: Look at all those feminists.
Man 2: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
[they both reach for bottles of beer, shake them up, and spray the foam on the protesters. This magically turns them into dancing bikini models.]
Both Men: Yeah! All right!