Short bars... yes or no

What I mean is to say you ride with your hand near the stem with track drops is no like with flat bars or road drops. A track drop may be 38 - 40 cm wide but unless you are sprinting in the drops the shape of them strongly coerces you to place your hands at or near the stem. So saying for example that you ride track drops near stem despite them being 40 cm wide, you only effectively have a 25 ish cm bar you can use so is not the same as saying you ride a 40 cm flat bar or risers at the stem as you are forced to ride a narrow bar on track drops.

What I'm tryign to get across saying is you can't say a 40 cm track drop had the same usable width as a 40 cm of flat bar or riser bar, it's really like a much narrower bar to start off with.

Hehe....You seem to be arguing with yourself here tommy.
I never said anything about which bars have more usable width than any others. I simply said that i like narrow bars and still like to ride in the centre of my track drops too. Nothing to do with usable widths or the difference between track, road, flat, or riser bars.