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And if the same person made it the same way but from 631 could you tell? I really do think too much importance is put on it all and don't believe anyone can actually tell the difference as the differences in metal are too small for the rider to be able to detect through a seat and with suspension created by the tyres.

Tend to agree with Mike Burrows on this one...

who's mike burrows ?

ok, when i get a chance to test this out myself i'll let you know :)

edit) ok he's a bike designer, what did he say about steel tubing ?