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thanks for the heads up, after reading through a few threads it looks like a bad fucking idea. the thing that swayed me most was people saying they are heavy..

think i'm gonna do a build instead. i have a specialized allez that is pretty light and it's a lot of fun. unfortunately it also rattles my teeth around in my skull over the bumps like anything which generally puts me off riding it to work and back every day.. so i'm looking for a slightly more forgiving ride.

cheap OTP's available for not much more than a unipack. there's a list somewhere. Bowery, langster...