No God

Intelligent Design.

I really dislike that phrase

Atheism isn't a belief in nothing. It's the rejection of a belief in God(s)/theism.

your atheism [sic] advert should more accurately read as such.

"the belief that there was probably something (according to best evidence) and then something happened to this something (we are currently investigating this event) resulting in a fundamental change of state which changed the original something into the initial something. Fundamental laws settled into place pretty quickly which allowed the initial something to over time form the current something. Statistical chance and physical law governed this process and magic was not involved.
Reason and purpose had nothing to do with any of this process.

Most of it makes sense and we are working on the bits that don't and that's got to be better than the talking snake, right?"

I reckon that Ockham's razor has religion beat now, and "experimentation vs faith" will finish it off in the long run. Esp. now that neuroscience research groups are showing that you can expose people to electromagnetic fields and induce religious experience, angelic visions, conversations with the almighty etc. It would be a pretty sick joke if our global religions are the result of a sunstorm a couple of thousand years ago.

atheists don't belive in god, but speaking for me and I'm definately an athirst as I think there isn't a god, but I do believe in humanity , morals and science, so for peeps that say athiest don't believe in anything is a load of hogwash and is a stereotypical or ignorant theory that some people think.

You can do that to any belief system, doesn't make it a true representation (as can be seen above...so long as you can look past the trainwreck line-spacing)

And yes Tynan, I do believe in life after death. If you're going to rip me to shreds with your clever words then do it already, the suspense is killing me...

Atheism doesn't say that and it isn't a belief. Atheism is the rejection of the idea of a creator.

The big band theory suggests that all matter/energy (we know they are interchangeable quantities) existed at a zero point then expanded from then on (which is what that poster is referring to and has nothing to do with atheism).

The fact that we have proof (red shift of stars/galaxies moving away from us) is evidence that this theory is correct... I am not an astronomer and this is my understanding (from what, I have read and what I have been explained).

The fact that scientific theory changes over time, it is because like any form of learning is an iterative process. Just because we do not know everything about the workings of the universe at this point in time, does in no way prove that we will not discover these things at a later date.

And everything I have said about science has Nothing to do with atheism.

I can believe that all matter, energy is made out of very small pieces of penn pasta (I don't) and still not believe in a God, these ideas are not scientific as I would have no proof of this, however as I reject the idea of a creator, I would be still an atheist.

Not wanting to start a big argument here, but what good does religion do over a good set of morals?

Morals haven't been responsible for causing people to start wars, so it's already ahead of religion in that sense. No offence intended.

I reckon that Ockham's razor has religion beat now, and "experimentation vs faith" will finish it off in the long run. Esp. now that neuroscience research groups are showing that you can expose people to electromagnetic fields and induce religious experience, angelic visions, conversations with the almighty etc. It would be a pretty sick joke if our global religions are the result of a sunstorm a couple of thousand years ago.

I doubt any amount of scientific rationalisation or discovery will kill off religion. Religious faith does not stand up to logical analysis and much that the faithful hold to be true has been shown to be at least unlikely as we learn more about the world around us.

Despite all this, alot of apparently enlightened people are religious. I know a good few exceptionally intelligent (by my shitty standards) people who are Muslim or Christian. As we're not in the sixth form anymore, I don't press them on their faith when I meet them. 'Faith' in the dictionary says something like ' belief in a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof'.

The zealots fuck themselves up trying to rationalise their beliefs scientifically, and much organised religion (as a manifestation of human avarice, fear, tribalism etc) is pretty unpalatable. However there's no getting away from the fact that some people find faith addresses a human need not met elsewhere.

My guess is that the biggest obstacle to 'enlightenment' is death. Humans fucking hate the notion of dying, it shits us right up. That's why most religions are effectively death cults. Atheism says 'when you die, that's it'.
I can live with that, as can many others. I'd say we're in a minority there and chances are when I'm facing annihilation I may change my mind too.

Fuck me I'm going on.

^

I can understand why people believed in god(s) when the rest of the world wasn't explained by science.

for example the sun moving across the sky.

"Apollo is pulling it across the sky with his chariot."

In ancient Greece, I would have accepted this as fact, because I would have not had another explanation and I would have know that horses can pull very big things across land, so why wouldn't some Horses made by god pull the sun?

Know I know the world is hemi-spherical and rotates on an axis and the sun moves relatively across the sky. Why would I now believe in apollo?

is it just me or am i seeing cernan's definition of atheism as my (and many others) way of viewing the world but with an unnecessary label attached to it?

^

:D, Yup, but everyone wants to give something a label.

yeah good point, I just find atheism annoying

This is now clearly established and certified that
all matter, energy is made out of very small pieces of spaghetti pasta

Big bang fixed.

Big bang fixed.

Someone must be boiling the universe very slowly and thus this is why the universe is expanding.

Let's bet the very last minute will be al dente ...

yeah, treflip you are correct.
I was trying to highlight the inaccuracies in daveypants response to the zombie christ/talking snake thing and sacrificed a few accuracies/finer nuances for the sake of being a bit glib.

yeah good point, I just find atheism annoying

And don't get me started on war - tsk, what a pain that can be...

atheists don't belive in god, but speaking for me and I'm definately an athirst....

I'm an athirst too, but since I'm definitely in the pub, I'm about to remedy that...

Which one were you Platini?

Centre, clearly. An uncanny likeness.

I'd have put money on that, if I were a gambling man.

Atheism doesn't say that and it isn't a belief. Atheism is the rejection of the idea of a creator.

The big band theory suggests that all matter/energy (we know they are interchangeable quantities) existed at a zero point then expanded from then on (which is what that poster is referring to and has nothing to do with atheism).

The fact that we have proof (red shift of stars/galaxies moving away from us) is evidence that this theory is correct... I am not an astronomer and this is my understanding (from what, I have read and what I have been explained).

The fact that scientific theory changes over time, it is because like any form of learning is an iterative process. Just because we do not know everything about the workings of the universe at this point in time, does in no way prove that we will not discover these things at a later date.

And everything I have said about science has Nothing to do with atheism.

I can believe that all matter, energy is made out of very small pieces of penn pasta (I don't) and still not believe in a God, these ideas are not scientific as I would have no proof of this, however as I reject the idea of a creator, I would be still an atheist.

That was meant to be my point when I posted that image - it isn't accurate, it's quite obviously exaggerated to the point of being very inaccurate.

@ Oliver - 'intelligent design' gave me big lols...

And yes Tynan, I do believe in life after death. If you're going to rip me to shreds with your clever words then do it already, the suspense is killing me...

If you were 'ripped to sheds' (whatever that may mean in this context) it would be because your ideas would be shown to be questionable, not because of the words used to challenge your ideas.

Do you believe that you go to paradise / heaven on your death ?

You can do that to any belief system, doesn't make it a true representation

The (admittedly comic) representation of Christianity's is, even you must admit, accurate, that is why it is comic, translating Christianity's pious language into common speak reveals it's unhinged supernatural claims for what they are.

But the response on Atheism is so so far of the mark it is also funny !

The most telling part is that it fails to mention atheism other than in the title ? It attempts to use woeful misrepresentations of science (cosmology and evolution) to refute atheism !?

Tynan is my God, i want to eat his flesh and ignore his snake.

or something.

Sunday, Church, £3 entry fee, coffee £2, a go on the snake £1.

I reckon that Ockham's razor has religion beat now, and "experimentation vs faith" will finish it off in the long run. Esp. now that neuroscience research groups are showing that you can expose people to electromagnetic fields and induce religious experience, angelic visions, conversations with the almighty etc. It would be a pretty sick joke if our global religions are the result of a sunstorm a couple of thousand years ago.

I agree with everything this man says !

But . . .

I can't see superstition, the desire for the mysterious, to ever be finished off, I think it is innate in us, as basic to our make-up as anger, murder, love, awe, racism or empathy.

I can't seeing science having an impact on religion any more than it having an impact on fear, racism, misanthropy, astrology and empathy. They will always be with us, they are what make us up.

atheists don't belive in god, but speaking for me and I'm definately an athirst as I think there isn't a god, but I do believe in humanity , morals and science, so for peeps that say athiest don't believe in anything is a load of hogwash and is a stereotypical or ignorant theory that some people think.

Yep !

It is a surprisingly common belief amongst theists that if you don't believe in Shiva, Allah, the Shinto Cosmic Egg, Yahweh, the Peacock Angel (and so on) that you lack morality.

It really was the case that Norse pagans were convinced that a lack of belief in their numerous gods (Thor and so on) would mean you lacked any moral sense.

It is a very basic tool of all religion, render the opposition immoral.