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@Archie's_Grobags
It really says a lot about this place that not a single bike related thread can ever stay on topic anymore or even get sensible answers half the time, and yet a thread about cars can manage to stay completely on topic.
Elsewhere in misc and meaningless there's a thread about the Hoyt family....truly inspirational and amazing to see...and it got 8 responses...and yet this thread is already onto it's third page.
For a bike forum i find that pretty sad personally.