Winter gloves

Murtle, Scott uses those and swears by them.

I use a pair of these, which used to come with a core layer too, basically two pairs of gloves for the price of one. Beautiful in the snow.

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what are these???? are they sub-zero proof. i find that each year i get a new pair of gloves and each year they're ok, until the temp drops and the wind picks up. then i (literally one time) start weeping from the cold. I've even worn my socks under my gloves once, so cold was the icy blast... that was comin' out of brixton on vauxhall road, or something. so this year i've vowed to find one pair that does the job. could this be the pair?