Hit a woman this morning and got a fine

Pedestrians always have right of way, but that doesn't mean it is your fault or that you will be automatically charged if one jumps out in front of you and you couldn't practicably stop.
if he's gone behind the guy in front and didn't see the person behind, then he is at fault.

why don't people on this forum take responsibility for their own actions, take it on the chin and move on. fuck, blame everyone else except themselves.

if he's gone behind the guy in front and didn't see the person behind, then he is at fault.

why don't people in this country take responsibility for their own actions, take it on the chin and move on. fuck, blame everyone else except themselves.

Fixed...

Dale are you referring to the ped or the cyclist?

You'd be ok in Scotland. It's more acceptable to hit women in Scotland. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/456845.stm

Weren't you in the wrong? Highway code rule 170

It's my favourite. ped has right of way if turning into a juntion, if at a stop sign you have to wait for an opening. she still has right of way.

she may have right of way but didn't I read that she should at least give the driver/cyclist time to stop/be aware of her presence?

Mickey - he's referring to people on this forum. this means you, Mousey. why don't you take responsibility for your actions, eh?

Pedestrians always have right of way, but that doesn't mean it is your fault or that you will be automatically charged if one jumps out in front of you and you couldn't practicably stop.

That was a statement in general and it holds up.
It wasn't a comment on the specific accident as I wasn't there.

You'd be ok in Scotland. It's more acceptable to hit women in Scotland. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/456845.stm

One young man said: "Some women just need a slap to the jaw and put into the bedroom to calm down."

classic.

if he's gone behind the guy in front and didn't see the person behind, then he is at fault.

why don't people on this forum take responsibility for their own actions, take it on the chin and move on. fuck, blame everyone else except themselves.

+1 IMHO there are far too many unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions.

+1 IMHO there are far too many unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions.

+2. I agree. OK, the situation is tough but that's life.

she may have right of way but didn't I read that she should at least give the driver/cyclist time to stop/be aware of her presence?

True, if a ped steps out on a crossing right in front of a car the car isn't at fault. He/She should have taken due care of her/himself.

Same applies to this case. Could argue she demonstrated insufficient caution.
But here the local Po Po assigned themselves witness, jury and judge – That is so wrong, they should never have those powers.. on the spot fines. What a knee jerk fkwit idea!

+1 IMHO there are far too many unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions.

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HTFU England

True, if a ped steps out on a crossing right in front of a car the car isn't at fault. He/She should have taken due care of her/himself...

The pedestrian will only be legally liable if it was a light controlled crossing. At zebra crossings pedestrians have priority and the onus is upon the vehicles to be travelling at such a speed that they can safely stop.

Indeed, a vehicle is not required to stop until the pedestrian has a foot on the zebra crossing. Bizarre - but true.

But don't peds have to be sure you're going to stop before actually crossing? Like giving you a reasonable chance to stop before crossing.

Oh bollocks dogsballs is right really. Don't hit peds.

Why not go back to the scene of the 'crime' with a video camera. Re-enact it with some AcTor friends (we all have them) and post it for all to see. Then we'll judge if you were in the wrong or not!

I agree that it's harsh
I'm a little confused though, why is it the cyclists fault? What's the point of traffic lights then? If the light is green to allow cars bikes lorries and bikes to move through a junction, why does a pedestrian have the right of way?

I agree that it's harsh
I'm a little confused though, why is it the cyclists fault? What's the point of traffic lights then? If the light is green to allow cars bikes lorries and bikes to move through a junction, why does a pedestrian have the right of way?

the fine is more to the abuse the cyclist gave than the crash, the po po acknowledged that it's not his fault, but due to the fact he let it out, he received a fine;

" (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour"

here's what he said after posting the original topic;

Yeh theres abit more to it I did loose it abit but not with her the fine was for my language , she was with a guy and he said “I shouldn’t have been going so fast” that really pissed me off, the police said the reason they came over was because there is so much cctv in the city if they had been seen on it not doing anything they would have got in trouble! I feel like the language reason was a cop out though, the police weren't there to hear any of it, its like the business man and woman told there side of the story and mine didn’t count.

voidcore, sorry but pay the fine and HTFU, next time keep your cool and you probably wouldn't have gotten a fine, I know it's harsh but accepted it.

Good that neither of you got hurt, that would have been devastating.
Not worth fighting against the fine as some suggest, really not worth it.
I hope you manage to raise the funds, not a pleasant experience.

voidcore was given handed a Fixed Penalty Notice under Section 5 of the Public Order Act, if I;m not mistaken - Ant has already pointed out the offence and appropriate defence, although it may be worth pointing out again:

Plead not guilty, go to court, enter a defence, pass go, collect £200, I'm not a lawyer, this is not advice, seek legal counsel etc...

If you lose, there will probably be an increase in the fine, plus a "victim surcharge", and you will receive a "criminal record", inasmuch as there will be a record of it (it is not, as far as I know, something that will show up on a CRB check, nor would you be required to declare it - but, then again, I'm no lawyer, so my opinion may be incorrect, and you are best seeking professional advice. Or just paying the penalty now, and be done with the whole affair.)

Yes, a conviction for a Section 5 offence would show up on a CRB check and, yes, you would be obliged to disclose it if asked exempted or excepted questions under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. If the conviction resulted in a fine, then this would be 'spent' after 5 years - although for certain occupations and professions there is a requirement to disclose 'spent' convictions as well.

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If you took this to the limit, if somebody suddenly jumped out in front of you to commit suicide, it's conceivable that you could get an £80 fine for failing to yield to their right of way.

If you took this to the limit, if somebody suddenly jumped out in front of you to commit suicide, it's conceivable that you could get an £80 fine for failing to yield to their right of way.

Unlikely. The important thing to note is that this happened at a junction, where the pedestrian always has priority, and on a crossing.

^No I hit a child whilst driving who ran out of a shop. I was traveling at walking pace as I was just about to turn but still ran over his foot. The police come and take witness statements and the case in then investigated, my case did not even go to court as other than the father (who was clearly out to sue) every other person said how the child just ran out and was out of control when in the shop. So if someone just jumps out you will be investigated but all should be well.

It's still a stress though.

Fuck it. Anyone want to go for ribs?

:p

Good use of the word 'jacksie', there

voidcore was given handed a Fixed Penalty Notice under Section 5 of the Public Order Act,

Fixie Penalty