If Leaders are rubbish, what is good?

I was confused why people would want a Leader frame, but was mistakenly looking at the costlier 735tr frame. Now they have just released the 721tr, which differs from flickwg's 720tr in having smaller decals, and nicer looking fork ends. $189 on Ebay.
If you have a bikeforums login you can see the pics HERE - the welds look goood enough.

you dont get the contoured seatube with that, which may be something your BF would miss?

though i think it looks better in white - has a touch of Garneau to it . . .

http://www.leaderbikestore.com/pd-735tr-2009.cfm

Cheap, but functional. I don't see that there's much wrong with them. Geo on the 721s is supposed to be more track-like than on the 720s also, though haven't seen one in the flesh yet.

i've just been sick in my mouth a little

That's not vomit. It's leftovers from Jonathan King's sticky white love piss after your party last night at the Walton Hop.

Two little boys airbrushed out of that... :-(

yuk. one of them was alex.

Saw the On-One in chainreactioncycles. Was comparing the frame size to IRO Mark V.

I tried to be really scientific, but most likely failed miserably. So my question to you is how close to each other are the medium On-One Track and a Mark V in size 56?

The most obvious difference is the head tube length (100mm vs. 125mm) and the top tube (54.5cm vs. 55.5cm), but I am at a loss when trying to figure out the seat tube length. The On-One has 53cm c-t and I believe the IRO has 56cm, aboutish, but On-One's angle is tighter at 74.5 when compared to Mark V's 73. From what Sheldon has told me each degree of angle adds 1cm to the length of the tube. So at this point -- and if the above does stand -- the difference in seat tube lengths would be narrowed down to 1.5cm.

Next up is the issue of bottom bracket drop, which I believe does affect the equation, too. The On-One frame's bottom bracket drop is 38mm and the IRO has 50mm. So the difference is 12mm. Would this affect the effective seat tube length, push the final difference to 0.3cm? And if so, how is it possible the head tubes are so differently sized with the same angle of 73?

um, thanks for that pj.

Saw the On-One in chainreactioncycles. Was comparing the frame size to IRO Mark V.

I tried to be really scientific, but most likely failed miserably. So my question to you is how close to each other are the medium On-One Track and a Mark V in size 56?

The most obvious difference is the head tube length (100mm vs. 125mm) and the top tube (54.5cm vs. 55.5cm), but I am at a loss when trying to figure out the seat tube length. The On-One has 53cm c-t and I believe the IRO has 56cm, aboutish, but On-One's angle is tighter at 74.5 when compared to Mark V's 73. From what Sheldon has told me each degree of angle adds 1cm to the length of the tube. So at this point -- and if the above does stand -- the difference in seat tube lengths would be narrowed down to 1.5cm.

Next up is the issue of bottom bracket drop, which I believe does affect the equation, too. The On-One frame's bottom bracket drop is 38mm and the IRO has 50mm. So the difference is 12mm. Would this affect the effective seat tube length, push the final difference to 0.3cm? And if so, how is it possible the head tubes are so differently sized with the same angle of 73?

erm...........HTFU and just get out and ride!

erm...........HTFU and just get out and ride!

That is bound to happen, too, but I would've loved to know. And as I am sick and glued to teh internetz, have time to drink tea and ponder.

Asked the same question over in bikeforums.net, but, as of now, nobody has answered. Just thinking of the standover height. I've come to understand the length of the tob tube is not that important. Still, I just don't like the look of "too small" frames, but, on the other hand, am afraid of overshooting and suffering the consequences of that. And the reason I was comparing the two is that I have the 56 sized Mark V which fits me fine with more than ample space between the top tube and my dangly bits. With that in mind I guess the medium On-One Track could well be what I consider "too small".

nothing wrong with leader frames, i worked on one from 2000 - 2004 when it got knicked.
shame they lost the heavy metal graphics tho.

Fnnaaaarrrr

platini, why don't you just have finbar as your avatar? it would be better then you could just fnnnaaaaarrrrr away

^but his post count would go down by 90%