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@Greasy_Slag
Swobo do some proper cycling jeans (well knickers) out of my price range but still very nice. there is also also a shop in islinton that do these 3/4 length carhart looking slack, not denim but that american working apperel looking stuff.. does that make sense? looks like the kind of hard wearind trouser you get from mole valley farmers.. with me?
ah ha - here it is... fking daper!