Motorcycles in your bus lane

Everyone else is a cunt,.

This is the mantra of my life

http://willesdencc.blogspot.com/2008/05/motorbikes-in-buslanes.html
(apologies if this has been covered, I've been away)

[quote ]According to the London Cycling Campaign "London Assembly Conservatives say that the ‘wheels are in motion’ and the Mayor will ‘rubber stamp’ the decision after technical requirements are met". [/quote]

bollocks to wheels in motion - try cycling up OKR's bus lanes without motorbikes & scooters constantly riding 6 inches from you as they overtake - cnuts.

OK, so who has actually seen any studies that prove that there is a significant risk to cyclists/motorcyclists where motorcyclists are allowed to use bus lanes? By studies, I don't mean mutliple anecdotes - this is not scientific.

Or should the case against be based on discouraging m/cyclists from using the road?

I haven't been hit by a motorbike in a bus lane therefore all roads should be made into bus lanes and all motorcyclists should be moved to Portugal.

there was a thread on it last week ...flick back a few pages.

Yeah.. and Dave sent something around.. serves me right for not checking emails.. I just didn't want to see any work shit :)

mopeds and motorcycles will just do what they always do in bus lanes: block up the mythical 'filtering space'...for all their experience (and of course gigantic bollocks), motorcyclists regularly wheel their bikes with their feet out into my path from between cars...maybe 360degree visors would help?

as for empathy, they do see you as another person on a bike, but they would be fine if they bumped into you, and even if they do come off(at the same speed, ie. they aren't doing the usual 50mph in a bus lane), they have their leathers etc.

I'd have respect for them if they didn't wrap themselves up in 300 layers of leather, and rev their throttle like some overweight middle aged german pornstar stroking themself off...whats the big deal? it's your ENGINE!

So we're still agreed that scooter drivers are cunts? Good.

they have their leathers

Make em ride in underwear?

I look at it like the least vulnerable people on the road need to be the most responsible, and the most to blame when things have gone wrong. i.e. if you choose to drive an SUV you are choosing to be responsible for the added risk you are causing.

I think if anything bigger gets in an accident with something smaller (a bicycle and a pedestrian) the bigger thing is most probably more responsible for the damage caused, even if the smaller thing is what screwed up.

Motorcycles are choosing to cause more risk than bikes and pedestrians, thus if there is an accident between them, they are more to blame from the outset.
Same goes for a car that hits a motorcycle, or the SUV that hits a car.

I think it should be possible for everyone to be in the road together, the problem is everyone wants to shirk the responsibility that they have for others.

The problem is a lot bigger, it's getting rid of the babysitter state that says you're not even responsible for yourself, much less for some one else.

Until then it's important to keep the most vulnerable/least impact safe by giving them the most rights (i.e. pedestrian's rights). Cyclists should have the most rights after ped's. They should be rewarded for causing less risk to others/environment.

It's about your choice to put others at risk. You shouldn't have to tell people what to do, you should make it an obvious choice.

http://www.lcc.org.uk//index.asp?PageID=1145

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How would we notice the difference?

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edscroble: I just typed a full stop, couldn't think of anything that was worth saying!

adoubletap: no idea, just do it again to be sure? they probably check their list for the same email anyway.

edscroble: I just typed a full stop, couldn't think of anything that was worth saying!

all I add was "motorised private vehicle should never be allowed in the bus lane".

edscroble: I just typed a full stop, couldn't think of anything that was worth saying!

adoubletap: no idea, just do it again to be sure? they probably check their list for the same email anyway.

Sorry, what I meant was how would one notice any change from the the current behaviour of motorcyclists vis a vis bus lanes.

Where's the evidence that this would be a bad thing? I haven't seen any.

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