Wanted: 5 Floor House, 6 Beds, Garden on Kingsland Rd Needs People

flickwg where will i get my ginger nuts?

the club for red headed gentlemen

with a big dollop of scotts vegan custard

scott not scot oh wayne....you getting me excited now...:)

you are allways getting big daddy over excited

oh i see, where will you be scott?

baggage in person?

aidan go for it and deal with the problems after...who dares wins-thats how the SAS get such nice houses

Aidan, Hereford barracks are not "nice houses" !

chris crash [quote]flickwg where will i get my ginger nuts?

the club for red headed gentlemen[/quote]
Address enclosed.

scott not scot Oh i'm sure i can pop at least one of my ginger nuts into your mouth at some point seb...;)

teabagging? definitely taking this tea thing too far scott.

extra tasty leftovers get un autre showing of the house this wednesday at 3.30pm, tuesday got canceled.

Nightmare!

The landlord's flipped and said that, in order to avoid paying for an HMO license (required if you rent out a place for 4 or more people), he will only have 4 people in the house. That means the rent would be £275969, 31 a week - or something.

I've asked the agent to ask him to bring the rent down, he said 'we'll see' - how else will they ever fill a £1,000 a week property split between 4 people in Dalston??

did you have any avenues for a house? I need to find somwhere soon!

Could four people rent it, and sub-let the other rooms on the sneaky?

Sparky Could four people rent it, and sub-let the other rooms on the sneaky?

I, for one, think thats a good idea. Anyway, I'm off to see it now...cue eyelash fluttering etc.

Shallow Maive Nightmare!

The landlord's flipped and said that, in order to avoid paying for an HMO license (required if you rent out a place for 4 or more people), he will only have 4 people in the house. That means the rent would be £275969, 31 a week - or something.

I've asked the agent to ask him to bring the rent down, he said 'we'll see' - how else will they ever fill a £1,000 a week property split between 4 people in Dalston??

I don't think technically speaking this would count as an HMO, not unless you all had individual tenancy agreements, it sound more like a bunch of friends house sharing with a joint tenancy, from memory a rule of thumb test as to whether a property counted as an HMO was did each bedroom have it's own lock? It can't just be whether there are more than four people living there, otherwise any family with both parents and three children or a family with two kids and a grand parent living with them would be an HMO. Neither can it be dependent on how old the people are, or you could have a family of five let a house and not be an HMO till their eldest child turned 18 and hey presto, unless they can get an older child to move out, over night their house becomes an HMO. It'd make no sense. It's got to be about the nature of tenure, not just the number of people living there

Now I could be wrong about this but if you call Shelter's National Housing Advice Service on 0207014540 or their London Housing Aid Centre on 02070141540 they'll be able to give up to date advice on this and I'd expect, if neccessary, be willing to advise the landlord of the true position and mediate with him on your behalf.

could 4 people on the agreement sublease it to the other 2?

chris crash could 4 people on the agreement sublease it to the other 2?

You'd have to look at the tenancy agreement and see if it precludes sub-letting, if it doesn't I can't see this being a problem, basically the four people on the tenancy would be liable to pay the landlord the rent and then would have to extract from the people they were sub-letting to their portion of the rent, if the lease explicity precludes sub-letting you're on dicier ground, but how would they prove you were sub-letting and the other two people weren't just staying with you while they made an (extended) visit to London.

Nonetheless I wouldn't go this way, I'd pursue establishing whether or not this is realy an HMO and if not have all six people's names on the tenancy, crudely speaking it's a six bedroom house isn't it, what does the landlord think, that they'll let it to four people who will just leave two rooms empty or use them as a study/office/meditation space, er, thats just silly. Like I said what I'd do is contact Shelter for up to date reliable advice.

Frickin' estate agent lied. There are not two lounges.

There are THREE FOUR. The woman who's leaving/'downsizing' has had the house in her family for 200 years apparently.

I am 100% down with subletting and when the girl I was with mooted the thought aloud - in front of the estate agent - and I cocked an eye at him - he merely said 'I didn't hear anything'.

All the rooms are the same size (massive), with working fires in each, or most of them. Summer House does indeed exist but of course, only once you manouvre over the fairytale bridge.

The girl with me said, in some kinda accent, 'fuck zis, I will quit my job and get a better one just to live 'ere'

I don't think she was joking.

Scott you still in? As in four of us sign lease, two of us, not so much?

Sadly, it is so an HMO: http://www.communities.gov.uk/housing/rentingandletting/privaterenting/housesmultiple/hmofaq/landlords/licence/

You guy should also speak to whisper ibob. He is letting agent and be able to offer an opionion too.

if we do sublet, and I guess we will, if a couple want in but not on the contract, rent will fall below £111 plus bills, with council tax hovering over the £10 mark. Not too shabby. Not too legal. But there is a library, so plenty of time to get schooled in the law from a palatial pad.

i'm just a law student, so don't like rely on this or anything, especially because I think your agent friend will know the law here a lot better than me, but basically the situation is:

• if there is any ambiguity in the contract about whether subletting is allowed or not, you can sublet. to the point that if the contract says you can't sublet (full stop), you can still sublet part of it (to get around this the contract has to say "in whole or in part")

• if you're not allowed to sublet, and the landlord finds out, see if you can get him to accept rent after discovering this. If he's dumb enough to do that, he's affirmed the change in contract.

• chances are, the clause will say that there is no subletting without the landlord's consent. If this is what the contract says, and he isn't giving consent, this has to be reasonable - i.e., for a fair and substantial reason. He does have to give a good reason.

• if none of this applies and you get busted, you could theoretically, maybe, all be kicked out though this is well unlikely

i think it's this - no, we won't be allowed to sublet and no, we won't get caught.

Landlords have to give 24 hr notice before barging in don't they? And tenents are allowed to say, 'sorry, the time you suggest is inconveniant for the nine I mean, four of us'

yes 24 hours although that did not stop mine showing up last month with no notice and confiscating my (flat's...) cats for 5 days. so uh do as I say not as I do...

just say they are friends who rode over on their bikes, thats why there are so many bikes

yeah 43 of them...