Equipment for Fat Fella

aidan hippys your man!

LOL, thanks i nearly choked on my bean soup!

haj a daily commuting ride of about 25-30 minutes each way will burn some fat.. worked for me :)
I'd not like to do it on a folding bike though..

yeah, definitely.

remember you burn max quantity of fat at 60% of your maximum heart rate. At 80% you're exercisingly aerobically and the fat burn drops significantly.

Maximum heart rate is 3 beats a minute. We nocturnal plasma lovers rest easy.

eeehhhh [quote]haj a daily commuting ride of about 25-30 minutes each way will burn some fat.. worked for me :)
I'd not like to do it on a folding bike though..

yeah, definitely.
remember you burn max quantity of fat at 60% of your maximum heart rate. At 80% you're exercisingly aerobically and the fat burn drops significantly.[/quote]

What are you talking about?

"fat burning zones" are bullpat. Your body may have a preference for fat as fuel at 60% HRmax but you will require more calories in total if you spend the same time at 80% HRmax. Also, I think you meant anaerobically (ie. without oxygen) and there's no switchover point for this to happen - your body will still be using fat as fuel at all but the highest intensity of exercise. As your HR increases, the percentage of fat supplying the energy decreases and the percentage of muscle glycogen (carbs) used increases. Once you slow down you will again move to using more fat as fuel but you still need carbs present to use it.
An 80% max exercise will burn use more energy fat/carbohydrates in TOTAL than a 60% one. It will depend on the person whether they can maintain the higher intensity. Ah, there's too much and I have coffee to drink.. read an exercise physiology book. :P

eeehhhh [quote]haj a daily commuting ride of about 25-30 minutes each way will burn some fat.. worked for me :)
I'd not like to do it on a folding bike though..

yeah, definitely.

remember you burn max quantity of fat at 60% of your maximum heart rate. At 80% you're exercisingly aerobically and the fat burn drops significantly.[/quote]

GrandeAnse2Grenville Maximum heart rate is 3 beats a minute. We nocturnal plasma lovers rest easy.

Wow 3bpm. Don't try the masturbation exercise plan you will be too much into your aerobically exercising apparently. Stick with the cycling.

There you go it is now official. Cycling is better for weight loss than masturbation.

hippy [quote]eeehhhh [quote]haj a daily commuting ride of about 25-30 minutes each way will burn some fat.. worked for me :)
I'd not like to do it on a folding bike though..

yeah, definitely.
remember you burn max quantity of fat at 60% of your maximum heart rate. At 80% you're exercisingly aerobically and the fat burn drops significantly.[/quote]

What are you talking about?

"fat burning zones" are bullpat. Your body may have a preference for fat as fuel at 60% HRmax but you will require more calories in total if you spend the same time at 80% HRmax. Also, I think you meant anaerobically (ie. without oxygen) and there's no switchover point for this to happen - your body will still be using fat as fuel at all but the highest intensity of exercise. As your HR increases, the percentage of fat supplying the energy decreases and the percentage of muscle glycogen (carbs) used increases. Once you slow down you will again move to using more fat as fuel but you still need carbs present to use it.
An 80% max exercise will burn use more energy fat/carbohydrates in TOTAL than a 60% one. It will depend on the person whether they can maintain the higher intensity. Ah, there's too much and I have coffee to drink.. read an exercise physiology book. :P[/quote]

pwned.

This is stuff I didnt know, so thanks. I may joke around about my lack of fitness, and to be honest, somebody in the world has to eat pancakes with butter AND maple syrup; but getting fitter is my goal, so the constructive advice helps.

TheBrick(Tommy)
pwned.

I was hoping that'd catch on :]

1. Ride
   
2. Eat less (optional :))
   

TheBrick, I'm waiting for you to have your own TV show. Make it something original, like "Saturday Night Live"? It'll go down a bomb.

Hippy's my man? Eh? If he looked more like Queen Latifah, he might have a chance. Oh yeah, and the googlies would have to go. Only one set of googlies allowed in my relationships. I know I should be more open minded; lets just call it a flaw.

GrandeAnse2Grenville Hippy's my man? Eh? If he looked more like Queen Latifah, he might have a chance.

Close enough?

I think marriage is on the cards. Do all the invites go to West London Hospital, St.Bernards Wing?

GrandeAnse2Grenville If he looked more like Queen Latifah, he might have a chance.

But she's from Lesbia.

So I heard, but I know a lawyer from the same place who made out with me for a year, before going back to that testosterone-free land. Was real good.

Only just seen this.

How about a S-Type Brompton? Virtually bullet-proof with flat bars for a 'slightly' more agressive riding position than standard.

Sam, I'll give that a looksee. Cheers.

and Sam knows about bromptons!!

hippy [quote]eeehhhh [quote]haj a daily commuting ride of about 25-30 minutes each way will burn some fat.. worked for me :)
I'd not like to do it on a folding bike though..

yeah, definitely.
remember you burn max quantity of fat at 60% of your maximum heart rate. At 80% you're exercisingly aerobically and the fat burn drops significantly.[/quote]

What are you talking about?

"fat burning zones" are bullpat. Your body may have a preference for fat as fuel at 60% HRmax but you will require more calories in total if you spend the same time at 80% HRmax.[/quote]

Yeah, ok.

Also, I think you meant anaerobically (ie. without oxygen) and there's no switchover point for this to happen - your body will still be using fat as fuel at all but the highest intensity of exercise.

Yes, I did mean anaerobically instead of aerobically.

As your HR increases, the percentage of fat supplying the energy decreases and the percentage of muscle glycogen (carbs) used increases. Once you slow down you will again move to using more fat as fuel but you still need carbs present to use it. An 80% max exercise will burn use more energy fat/carbohydrates in TOTAL than a 60% one.

Yep, I agree with all that you've said so far, so yes I'm wrong.

It will depend on the person whether they can maintain the higher intensity.

So if the guy concerned is as unfit/overweight as he says, I think he's more likely to burn more fat by exercising at 60% than 80% because he'll just be plain knackered and stop quickly, which is more what I was getting at originally.

If you look at the table on http://exercise.about.com/cs/cardioworkouts/l/aa022601a.htm (the source they got it from seems reasonable) there's only a 10% difference in the number of fat calories burned, but he's more likely to maintain 30min at 60% than 30min at 80%, and consequently burn more fat overall at 60%. So, I think in this case considering everything, I am not as wrong as you make out.

And also, why does every piece of CV equipment in my uni gym have a table with the headings age, then target heart rate for fat burn and cardio, if it's as flat-out wrong as you suggest? I think it applies for most people who are interested in loosing excess body fat.

The guy agrees. :))

Sam Only just seen this.

How about a S-Type Brompton? Virtually bullet-proof with flat bars for a 'slightly' more agressive riding position than standard.

Hmm I find mine quite flexy and I'm 69kg + bag with uni crap, lunch, change of clothes, tools etc in. Might just be the squidgy suspension block? The front radial spoked wheel wouldn't be a good idea, 3 cross instead.

It's all in the block. If you tighten a jubilee clip around the diameter of the block it will harden and therefore be less 'bouncy'.

I've got a rear luggage rack on mine and wrap the bungee cords around the seatpost. This makes it easier to pick up (as the rear wheel won't drop) and also tightens up the suspension.

I think the front wheel will be fine, there's an awful lot of spokes in there considering the rim size!

Unicycle.

This baby is small and will fit on a train. Plus it has style points.

eeehhhh [quote]It will depend on the person whether they can maintain the higher intensity.

So if the guy concerned is as unfit/overweight as he says, I think he's more likely to burn more fat by exercising at 60% than 80% because he'll just be plain knackered and stop quickly, which is more what I was getting at originally.
If you look at the table on http://exercise.about.com/cs/cardioworkouts/l/aa022601a.htm (the source they got it from seems reasonable) there's only a 10% difference in the number of fat calories burned, but he's more likely to maintain 30min at 60% than 30min at 80%, and consequently burn more fat overall at 60%. So, I think in this case considering everything, I am not as wrong as you make out.
And also, why does every piece of CV equipment in my uni gym have a table with the headings age, then target heart rate for fat burn and cardio, if it's as flat-out wrong as you suggest? I think it applies for most people who are interested in loosing excess body fat.[/quote]

Above the table you linked to is this comment: "The body does burn a higher percentage of calories from fat in the 'fat burning zone' or at lower intensities. But, at higher intensities, you burn a greater number of overall calories which is what you should be concerned about when trying to lose weight." which is exactly what I said.

The reason gyms have tables with Fat Burning Zones is because they do what the public want and make it all nice and easy to burn fat, laadeedah, here you go sir just plod along in this zone and you will be burning more fat..
They don't bother explaining that burning more calories overall at 80% HRmax is better because the public 1) don't want it any harder and 2) this fat burning zone thing is a fairly well published mistake.
I thought the same thing a few years ago but I've read enough physiology/training books to know better now and when I spot a chance to dispel the myths I do it.

If the guy (I wish he had a shorter name so I'd actually type it!) was previously a cyclist then he should be able to start off with a week or two of easy 60% stuff and then he should look at whacking in some 80% efforts and see how they go. It will get results quicker (if it doesn't kill him ;)).

what's all this bollocks?

just ride your bike fast, and watch your diet.