Cycle Highways? Cycle Super Highway

Skullhead God I'm totally sick of this argument already. Fucking bike lanes and bike-only routes are shit. I come from Milton Keynes, where they have a seemily-amazing integrated network called the 'Redways' that's almost entirely seperate from the road systom - which is quite a good thing as almost all 'grid' roads (the main routes that criss-cross the city) are 60mph. But no-one uses them hardly, cos the road system is so good and the whole city is oriented around car use, and quite spread out. The only cyclists you see are lycra-pervs on carboner bikes who won't use the 'redways' cos they're too winding and indirect (in order to underpass or avoid being near the roads). When I have cycled there daily in my youth and from time to time more recently there's literally fuck all people using them Its really really sad.

Forget cycle routes and lanes, educate drivers and cyclists to use the roads together. I'm all for 20 mph in town though, that's a good idea, provided we see a concerted effort to remove traffic lights in favour of more dynamic and free flowing crossings... with pedestrians taking priority (at crossings only, and start fining people for jaywalking elsewhere), cyclists next in the pecking order, down to 18 wheelers at the bottom. Oh and yummy fucking 4x4 mummies at the very very back of the queue... Or am I talking out of my arse I dunno.

so why do segregated cycleways work so well in the Netherlands and Germany etc? 'cos there, they're brilliant.