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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120195805225&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002
im sure loads of people have seen this so im not giving anything away. I fancy it to build up in the new year. but he says its english threaded BB but also its 70mm. Isnt 70mm italian bb size?? confused. anybody shed any light or has he just got it wrong?