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mr_tom In all fairness, if they're selling at that price, then they're obviously priced right. And it's easier for a business to get cheaper than more expensive. (As this thread proves).
Spot on.
We should also remember the point of the Condor discount thread, we may not be their target market. And if they prove to be a more successful business as a result of shifting their prices and products to focus on a more profitable market, then that is just good business sense.
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they're not obviously priced right at all. I was quoted £500-£600 for a custom track in september - will they honour that quote? like fuck they willA quote is a quote. There's no contract when giving one, it's an estimation of the price if you ordered then and there, did you?
When I've given quotes for work I do I always say that the quote is only valid for 30 days. It's the only way to take into account cost fluctuations in time (whether I am over-committed) and resources (in my case software licenses).
jv I hope they go insolvent so i can pick up a few cheap frames.
That's just being mean. I don't wish insolvency upon anyone. Small business are hard to run as it is you know.
kowalski [quote]mr_tom In all fairness, if they're selling at that price, then they're obviously priced right. And it's easier for a business to get cheaper than more expensive. (As this thread proves).
That having been said, they're now at a similar price level to bespoke titanium De Rosa frames and pushing on the 'money is no object' envelope of Serottas and the like.
Barrie's point is that he tought Serotta, so why houldn't he charge Serotta money?[/quote]
It's a tenuous line of thought though isn't it?A student may well surpass the teacher, it happens all the time.
Perhaps the teacher would do best to recognise his core competences may not be the product he creates but his ability to teach the foundations and inspire creativity in others.
You could easily argue that the student in this case surpassed the teacher by more than a country mile and also acted more wisely in respect of investing in the business infrastructure. It's that investment that allowed the work on titanium, carbon, the mixed material frames. It's also sponsorship of cycling teams and working closely with riders that enabled Serotta to take that knowledge and re-apply it to bikes.
Could Witcomb have been a Serotta? Yes. Just like Fiat could've been a Ferrari. However you can't moan 40 years later and expect to charge the same. You need to apply continuous investment into research and development of new products, materials, techniques.
To argue that Serotta gets away with charging more and that he taught Serotta and therefore he should charge more is a very poor excuse for a lack of investment, marketing, R&D and other failings in the vision and management of the company.
All that said, I like Witcombs. I hope they survive, and I hope they find customers for their bikes that enable them to survive. Nice bikes.
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wayne_f14 Would the market pay that for a steel road bike - what's your thought Mr K, what steered you towards a serrota
I actually wanted a Colnago, but Condor pissed me off by implying that I couldn't afford one... so I walked down the road to Cycle Fit instead and purchased a Serotta.
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http://dfd.constellationserver.com/portfolio/typefaces1/ShaunSans.htm
You guys heard of google bombing? Where you create a bunch of links on blogs, etc. with a key phrase like "plonker designer knob" that all point to his site.
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I actually wanted a Colnagommmm...colnago homer style drool...i know not custom nor british, but cheaper at £999.95. track ended frame above this one £50 cheaper still.
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My boss told me the other day that he willing to give me his 1980's Colnalgo that his been sitting in his garage in Italy for the last twenty years
I won't believe it until I see it
but could this really come true
I don't want to do anything to jinx it
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not quite.... but perhaps similar.... I was just pointing out that his sites are down after all the discussion about him. I'm sure people don't hate me like they hate him (??)
I actually thought about putting a little Nelson on the post to see if anyone noticed :-)
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but it does seem that tony dafoney is a particularly self-serving, pernicious little twat
hope that Barry's craft and knowledge doesn't become a victim in all of this
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I'm sure Whitcomb needs to up prices in a competitive market, and one where I would think they have greatly undersold their product.
Agree wholeheartedly
The serrota argument not so sure about, Think that the fact that the serottas are titanium push them into that price bracket.
Would the market pay that for a steel road bike - what's your thought Mr K, what steered you towards a serrota
Mr Maloney just seems shonky and you wonder how much that will infiltrate and damage the Witcomb reputation