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  • Looks way too crude for a Ciocc, or any decent frame IMHO. Are those pressed dropouts?

  • Looks way too crude for a Ciocc

    I agree, I've owned a few Ciocc frames over the years, and the seat stays / seat post join looks nothing like any of them I've had.

    I might be off, but I don't remember any ever having lugged forks like those either, and certainly never mudguard mounts on the frame of the forks.

    (caveat, could have just been the ones I had)

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